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Old Jan 23, 2005 | 08:03 PM
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Assuming that the extra components (clutchpacks, etc) aren't to much heavier than the current differential (<100 pounds), adding the active torque distribution to the s2000 would make for an amazing car. realistically, I bet it'll be the new NSX that gets this "SH-RWD", but, imagine our S's with it...

Not only would the active torque distribution help with rotating the car around corners, it would also help avoid lift-off oversteer situations (because the system send more of the engine breaking to the outside wheel)

plus... even if it adds weight, at least it's all over the rear axle...maybe it could counteract the added weight a replacement engine with a larger bore...comon Honda, you know you wanna build it....
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Old Jan 23, 2005 | 08:12 PM
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well we do have a Torsen Limited Slip Diff in the back...which does "actively distribute torque"
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Old Jan 23, 2005 | 08:26 PM
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Not enough torque.
Not enough interest.
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Old Jan 23, 2005 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SLO-S2000,Jan 23 2005, 09:12 PM
well we do have a Torsen Limited Slip Diff in the back...which does "actively distribute torque"
While I can't explain exactly how the effect is different, active torque redistribution (a la Sh-awd, and ferrari's E-diff) is different than a simple limited-slip. I don't know enough about the functioning of limited-slip's to really compare, but there is a difference. The new ferrari F430 is equiped with one, and, supposedly, it makes a huge difference in handling.

Hopefully someone who is more technically versed than I can explain this better.
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Old Jan 23, 2005 | 09:27 PM
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The "SH" in the new RL just means superhandling. It accelerates the outside wheel on turns. It works well for a large AWD sedan, but I'm thinking we have enough oversteer.
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 04:09 AM
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Doesn't matter. There isn't going to be a next-generation S2000 (or an NSX while we're on the topic).
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 06:56 AM
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Honda's original 2wd SH system in the Prelude only works when the car is accelerating through a turn. It does not do anything for straight-line acceleration. And it does nothing unless you are on the throttle. A mechanical Torsen LSD assists traction in accelerating both through a turn and in a stright line.

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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by aklucsarits,Jan 24 2005, 07:56 AM
Honda's original 2wd SH system in the Prelude only works when the car is accelerating through a turn. It does not do anything for straight-line acceleration. And it does nothing unless you are on the throttle. A mechanical Torsen LSD assists traction in accelerating both through a turn and in a stright line.

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You could be right about the original, but the new system (according to their promotional video's at least) is also in affect when deccelerating around a turn (preventing oversteer). Also, how could a limited slip assist in traction in a straight line? all it does is vary the amount of torque between the left and right wheels, which should have similar amounts when accelerating in a straight line.

BTW, i figured out a better way of explaining the difference between the SH system and a regular limited slip. The regular limited slip just responds to what the wheels are doing; ie, when your inside wheel starts to slip, it sends more torque to the outside. The SH-system, on the other hand, using all sorts of yaw sensors, etc, actively sends the torque to the outside wheel before the inside one loses traction.

And to the guy who said our cars already oversteer enough, when its controlled, is it ever enough? . But seriously, under acceleration our cars want to plow like anything (except maybe a sport-pack equiped Elise or an old 911) All i can say, is that, if it is an effective device on a mid-engined ferrari (which should want to oversteer more than our car) than it should be usefule on ours.
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Destro,Jan 24 2005, 05:09 AM
Doesn't matter. There isn't going to be a next-generation S2000 (or an NSX while we're on the topic).
Don't rain on my parade man...I don't wanna hear that kinda stuff...(at least i'll always have my old one )
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Destro,Jan 24 2005, 05:09 AM
Doesn't matter. There isn't going to be a next-generation S2000 (or an NSX while we're on the topic).
Really? So what's honda going to do for a sporty car next?
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