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when people say at the limits the car snaps?

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Old Jul 24, 2006 | 02:57 AM
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what does that mean... i mean how fast are we talking... I am not sure I have experienced or not?
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Old Jul 24, 2006 | 03:40 AM
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If you are facing one direction and then all of a sudden you are facing the complete opposite direction...you've experienced the phenomenon known as snap oversteer.
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Old Jul 24, 2006 | 03:42 AM
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When you have experienced 'it' you will surely know it

Since you're not sure I think you have not had one!
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Old Jul 24, 2006 | 03:45 AM
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i guess what i am getting at, is this something unique to the s2000 or just rwd cars in general, I have had the back in come around on me b4.... to me it seems this car has a greater tendency than others...
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Old Jul 24, 2006 | 03:47 AM
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I think this car is just more sensitive...It will hold on in a corner and when you push it just a bit too far the ends switch sides. Supposedly this was sowewhat relieved in the AP2s.
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Old Jul 24, 2006 | 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by crex,Jul 24 2006, 01:45 PM
i guess what i am getting at, is this something unique to the s2000 or just rwd cars in general, I have had the back in come around on me b4.... to me it seems this car has a greater tendency than others...
Well, the 50/50 weight distribution, good suspension setup and big back wheels help quite well in the cornering ability. Then there is the differential that helps too... but there is no ESP (until MY06), so when the car finally looses grip you mostly go quite fast (or in VTEC) and it can snap on you quite hard But every RWD car with a lot of power and no ESP can be oversteered on demand by the right foot or by playing with the weight distribution (accel, decel, tossing the car).
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Old Jul 24, 2006 | 05:01 AM
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The "snap" part's what's dangerous. Sure very RWD car can have oversteer. A progressive oversteer's fun to play with, essentially drifting. A car that "snap's" into oversteer is just an accident waiting to happen. Keep in mind that pretty much any car, even FWD can be made to spin (oversteer) if you're driving fast in a corner and let off the gas (called "lifting").

I'd guess that a majority of people who spin while driving fast "lifted" and cause the car to spin.
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Old Jul 24, 2006 | 05:26 AM
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YUP, just happened yesterday after church.
It was pooring out, cats and dogs people! I was going into this corner and no one was in my way. Street was empty, so I decide to try and drift it a little. going into the turn I dropped it a gear and punched it. The car started to drift and then I let off the gas. WHAM! The car turns sideways and Im like WTF JUST HAPPENED! I give it some more gas to pull the nose back and it does! SCARY AS HELL but better that I learned this now and not later!

So what should I have done...stay on the gas and turn the wheel the other way?
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Old Jul 24, 2006 | 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by rugsr,Jul 24 2006, 03:26 PM
YUP, just happened yesterday after church.
It was pooring out, cats and dogs people! I was going into this corner and no one was in my way. Street was empty, so I decide to try and drift it a little. going into the turn I dropped it a gear and punched it. The car started to drift and then I let off the gas. WHAM! The car turns sideways and Im like WTF JUST HAPPENED! I give it some more gas to pull the nose back and it does! SCARY AS HELL but better that I learned this now and not later!

So what should I have done...stay on the gas and turn the wheel the other way?
Not get off the gas all of a sudden and not hit the brakes IMHO! You will disturb the balance of the car shifting the weight to the front so the steering wheels get all the grip and the car snaps because there is almost no weight on the back wheels. It happened to me 4 times last year, once unwanted, 3 times to play. But the not wanted time was also... WTF JUST HAPPENED THERE If you'd play with the throttle and countersteer a bit you can do a nice drift, but smoothness is the word I think! Best is not to learn these things on the public roads!
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Old Jul 24, 2006 | 05:43 AM
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If you have spent your live driving FWD cars with lots of under steer, even a fairly neutral car when over corrected, might cause problems.

Our cars are sensitive to weight transfer so lifting throttle, breaking in a corner can catch some off guard. Wet roads can also be a problem.

Also in the S, if you crank on the wheel while cornering and the conditions are marginal, a spin may be in the cards.

The ability to easily induce and control over steer makes our cars infinitely more fun than most but can catch the untrained or unpracticed off guard.

The S is a scalpel, not a sledge hammer.
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