Jason

Fabulous description, thanks!

Where can i get hold of the Mugen bar and how much would it cost?

jc

 

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Mugen parts are available from King Motorsports. Scroll to the bottom and click their banner. That will take you right there. Tell them S2000online sent you

 

Hi Jason

After reading your discussion on oversteer and cdelena's and c3's comments, I decided to get the Mugen front sway bar. They're offered in 2 sizes, which do you all recommend?

2x6spds
Spoon Lower Front X Brace
Spoon Rear Brace.

 

Definitely the larger front swaybar... I would tentatively say that the smaller rear swaybar would help also (25.4mm) but it might only help the lift-throttle entry oversteer. It could have the effect of making the power-on snap oversteer worse because the outside rear would bottom easier. I'd definitely stick with the Mugen 31.8mm bar and the stock rear bar.

 

What is the status of Comptech's. I hear it supposed to be even bigger than the Mugen??

 

I checked with Scott at King today. He is out of the bars for now but will have some in stock in a month and will have another group buy savings at that time.

 

The answer is no.

I did my first autocross with the bar, spoon X brace and Hoosier A3S03 tires yesterday. I did 1 360 and 3 180's. However, that said, my car was so much faster than before it's rediculous.

I talked to j2k at the event and we discussed this issue. He feels that the key to the oversteer problem is in the shocks, particularly the rears. He feels the rebound rates of the stock shocks are to high. That when they get fully charged, letting up on the throttle will cause them to unload too quickly thus sending the center of gravity forward. I've seen enough theories on this to be skeptical.

j2K watched me run and commented on how loose my rear end was. I think is was driver error, he thinks shocks would help.

I am very pleased with the new combo but the car is very very sensitive to throttle input. My best run was an 80.3s, j2k averaged in the mid 76s range. The course had virtually no straights, all corners and that took a lot of punch out of the C cars which can times close to those of the S. Best time of the day was in the 72s range.

The two runs I was most happy with were ones where I was very gentle on the throttle. The car is very tail happy but I'm running with virtually no toe in. I'm going to try that before I run out and do any new mods. I'm also still screwing with the tire pressures which radically change the under/over steer characteristics. I'm going to run with what I have this year and see how it goes. I'm also going to try weighting down the rear end.

If after some simple tuning I still can get the rear end under control, I may try the shocks in the fall.

 

Jason,
Your repeated explanations on this subject make sense, and are substantiated by several owners, thanks.. I just wonder what is being compromised (by installing a larger front sway bar) as far as every-day driving, do you feel that Honda have missed something here?

 

Is it easy to install the Mugen front sway bar. I am not very good with mechnical things. Does the bar come with clear instructions. The bar is not cheep, I am willing to spend the $ but is it worth the $. thanks for your advice