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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 10:20 AM
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I just put stainless brake lines, new street/track cobalt pads, and super blue brake fluid in my MY02. I have a little bit of spongie-ness in the new brakes. We used the vacuum method to bleed the brakes so I think that there might be some air left in the lines. I am going to bleed them again tomorrow to see if it gets rid of it. But my big concern right now is that the brakes are squealing like a banshee. I
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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 10:24 AM
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Did you perform a bed-in session yet? If so, how hard did you brake?
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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 10:30 AM
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yeah, i did the brake-in thing. 40 to 10 at light to moderate braking for 10 runs. The funny thing is, now if i go from 80 to 0, moderate braking, i hear nothing. if I go from 30 to 10, moderate, i get the squeal
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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 10:30 AM
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pads might be the reason as street/track pads tend to squeel a bit. have you ever heard some race cars? they are squeeling like crazy!!! but try some of that orange disk quiet stuff that might help.
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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 10:32 AM
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could the squealing be caused by improperly bled brake lines?
No. That's likely causing the sponginess you feel. Vacuum bleeds are not a good way to bleed these brakes. Do a pressure bleed or the "good ol' pedal push" thing.

It's caused by this:
new street/track cobalt pads
And this:
we used anti-seize on the back of the shims
You should have used "anti-squeal" compound. "Anti-seize" is for sparkplugs.

And also what Harpoon said.
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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 10:38 AM
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fair enough. can anyone suggest a good "street" pad that wont squeal, but if I head out to do a 2-day (novice, hehe) track event, I wont have to change my brakes between the days?

EDIT: my mistake, I meant anti-squeal. my mechanic knew what he was doing.
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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 11:18 AM
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Once you get to about 30% on the cobalt sport GT's the squealing is greatly minimized.

That or my hearing has diminished.
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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Mannix16,Jul 11 2006, 10:38 AM
fair enough. can anyone suggest a good "street" pad that wont squeal, but if I head out to do a 2-day (novice, hehe) track event, I wont have to change my brakes between the days?

EDIT: my mistake, I meant anti-squeal. my mechanic knew what he was doing.
Try the Carbotech pads. I went with the Panther + on the front and rear before a HPDE day. I glazed the rears. Carbotech recommends to run their more aggressive 10 pad on the front and 8 on the rears for such events for the S2000 with high performance tires, not including R compounds. You can keep them on for street use too, although you'll get some noise and a fair amount of brake dust. I'm going to sand down my pads and rotors to get rid of the glazing and then switch to the 10/8 combo once the Panther + pads wear out.
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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 02:42 PM
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did u surfaced/grind the rotor?
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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 03:56 PM
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spongy pedal = air in the system. Air compresses while liquids do not. Keep bleeding until the spongyness is gone. Air in the system is reducing available brake pressure. Even with an anti-squeal applied to the back of the pads and shims, expect some noise from the cobalts.
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