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Old Oct 7, 2008 | 09:16 PM
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hm.

i had the AC problem as well as a spotty headlight.

ac would kick on/off randomly.

traced everything back to...get this.

TWO relays in the fuse box.

wtf? never heard of relays going bad before!

well, anyway, try jump all the relays with wires to see if it'll do anything.


Here was the weird thing:

Left headlight relay = bad.

right headlight relay = good.

left headlight would (sometimes) not turn on. BUT it would FLICKER. figured hey, lets pull the left relay see what hapepns (before i found out it was the relay). NOTHING HAPPENED. it was somehow still 'trying' to turn on. Pull the right relay, both lights go out - thought someone had chopped my wires and fkkd things up royally. Changed relays because of my AC problem (traced allll the way back to the fkkin relay after i changed condensor fan, transistor, switch).

Figured hey, lets try use the left headlight relay instead..

no good.! that relay was busted too.

changed both relays and both the AC and the lights work perfectly. wtf?!
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Old Oct 8, 2008 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Sleeper2000,Jun 17 2008, 09:24 PM
Already been done. Not it.



Temp Indicator issue is back.

Also getting misfire / ignition codes.
P0303, P0304, & P1399
These are new and not sure if / how they relate. However, I have not noticed any missing - and I would notice.

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I used to have irregular sensor readings. A temporary fix was to add a ground from the chassis of the ECU to the body. After months of searching, it turned out to be a ground under the hood that wasn't properly re-installed.

An easy way to test would be to add several grounds between the engine, tranny, intake manifold and the chassis. You can use booster cables or make yourself some grounds for the test.
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Old Oct 9, 2008 | 06:24 AM
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I had the same issue for a month or two.....then it just went away and its been months since it's gotten messed up lol.
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Old Oct 12, 2008 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Lukerw51,Oct 6 2008, 01:45 PM
I am getting the wierd speedo problem you describe. Was running great for 51k miles. This morning I was getting on the freeway to go to school, and I noticed that cruise was stabbing the throttle at random and my speedo was flashing between 60ish and 40ish (I was doing a little over 60). I have an '01 AP1. Now my speedo seems not to want to read any speed over about 45; the speedo works normally until I get on the freeway or simlarly fast road, at which point it starts reading a much lower speed than I am atually going. Usually it reads 15-25mph lower than the actual speed.

I have no idea what is wrong. Any ideas?

-LRW
I have determined my issue is RPM dependent... Find a (very) good downhill drop. Put the car in neutral and let it idle as you descend. The speedo will stabilize. After it does - blip the throttle (while still in neutral). If your speedo goes all wacky again - you've got my disease.
I don't know what is causing this - but, I suspect it is a floating ground in the ECU. Bad solder, a failed component - who knows... I have an A02 ECU that I'm going to put in mine (eventually) and see. Real life has taken priority and this has fallen to the back-burner. I'll get to it when I can.


Originally Posted by Lukerw51,Oct 6 2008, 01:45 PM
Last night, my car threw 4 CELs: random misfires and misfires on cyls 1,2,3. I was sitting in the starbucks parking lot just idling the car and talking to a friend when this happened - there was zero throttle input and no load except the alternator. I went to the dealer and got the CELs cleared and they have not returned, but my idle is noticeably choppier than it was before...
-LRW
My misfire codes were completely unrelated. I had made a good start at melting down my plugs. Check yours - and do your compression tests again.

A word of advice to anyone who cares to heed it: If you are going to run your car flat out (150+MPH) for more than 20 miles, get a heat-range cooler set of plugs.
Seriously.

Originally Posted by Lukerw51,Oct 6 2008, 01:45 PM
I replaced the motor with a new honda bottom end assm and a rebuilt (machined etc) head 500mi ago and am still breaking the motor in (not revving past 4ish). The compression is currently 1-204 2-196 3-202 and 4-198. The valve clearences are within spec, though I may check them again.

-LRW
Why did you replace the motor @ only 51K?


FWIW: I don't really subscribe to the "low RPM / low load" methodology for breaking in any engine. I would pull the VTEC wire to start with - no sense in being stupid. And, my break-ins are done by 500 miles. I use a break in oil, and change it @ 200 and 500 miles.

My cars make plenty of power - and don't use oil. My current S2000 uses less than 4oz of oil in a 10,000 mile change interval. I also have had 8 vehicles with over 200,000 miles on an engine...
Take this information for whatever value it is to you.

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Old Oct 12, 2008 | 04:27 PM
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[QUOTE=ikeyballz,Oct 7 2008, 09:16 PM]hm.

i had the AC problem as well as a spotty headlight.
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Old Oct 12, 2008 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by HiVolume,Oct 8 2008, 10:33 AM
I used to have irregular sensor readings. A temporary fix was to add a ground from the chassis of the ECU to the body. After months of searching, it turned out to be a ground under the hood that wasn't properly re-installed.
In my car, the ECU is positively grounded to the same panel that G401 grounds to. If you have a ground point in the ECU - I would be very interested in knowing about it...

Originally Posted by HiVolume,Oct 8 2008, 10:33 AM
An easy way to test would be to add several grounds between the engine, tranny, intake manifold and the chassis. You can use booster cables or make yourself some grounds for the test.
I can 't tell you how many wires, probes, and test devices I used trying to find a bad ground or a bad wire in the harness. If my ECU swap doesn't solve the problem - I will be replacing the dash harness (I've already gotten one). I've already replaced the engine harness...

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Old Oct 12, 2008 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 05TurboS2k,Oct 9 2008, 06:24 AM
I had the same issue for a month or two.....then it just went away and its been months since it's gotten messed up lol.
Mine started that way...

Good Luck.

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Old Oct 12, 2008 | 10:24 PM
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Thanks for the info, Sleeper.

I believe I solved the problem... G101 (I think) on the back of the cylinder head wasn't even tightened. The coils and the VSS ground there. I fixed the problem, I think, but when I took the car out on the road to test it, a new problem occurred with my clutch.

The previous owner had macguyvered a ghetto nitrous system and then somehow overrevved the motor. Then I bought it, the car drops a valve a few thousand miles later, and I open the motor up to begin the rebuild and find every single retainer cracked so badly you could almost see through them.

Anyway... if you have misfires and wierd speedo readings, do yourself a favor and reach behind the cylinder head and feel for a screw holding a ground wire to the head.
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Old Oct 13, 2008 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Lukerw51,Oct 12 2008, 10:24 PM
Thanks for the info, Sleeper.

I believe I solved the problem... G101 (I think) on the back of the cylinder head wasn't even tightened. The coils and the VSS ground there. I fixed the problem, I think, but when I took the car out on the road to test it, a new problem occurred with my clutch.

The previous owner had macguyvered a ghetto nitrous system and then somehow overrevved the motor. Then I bought it, the car drops a valve a few thousand miles later, and I open the motor up to begin the rebuild and find every single retainer cracked so badly you could almost see through them.

Anyway... if you have misfires and wierd speedo readings, do yourself a favor and reach behind the cylinder head and feel for a screw holding a ground wire to the head.
This was one of the grounds that we found to be poorly tightened!
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Old Oct 16, 2008 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Lukerw51,Oct 12 2008, 10:24 PM
G101 (I think) on the back of the cylinder head wasn't even tightened. The coils and the VSS ground there. ...
Anyway... if you have misfires and wierd speedo readings, do yourself a favor and reach behind the cylinder head and feel for a screw holding a ground wire to the head.
You are correct - that is G101. I've checked that ground so many times it's no longer funny....

My misfires were due to the fact I had melted the #2 and #3 spark plugs from running WOT for 10+ minutes without so much as a let-up on the throttle. I now run one heat range cooler plugs... I haven't had that issue again.

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