no VTEC in rain
ekoo,
No offense to you, but I don't really get what you were looking for
. You come on here as an admitted new owner with an issue and ask for advice. You then proceed to shoot down pretty much every response you get like your knowledge is far superior to anyone who has responded, most of which are reasonable answers given the details you provided. Many of the things you have ruled out and shot down, I honestly don't think you have investigated enough to rule out, but whatever. Plus suggestions of some of the simple things are some of the greatest suggestions IMO, those are the things that are often overlooked.
You asked us for help, if you want it great that is what this site is for, but don't be insulting or act like you have some chip on your sholder because you built a 400+ hp accord (sure it is a cool thing and obviously required some knowledge), but alot of us including myself have done some pretty in depth things with cars as well.
Just take it down a notch man, you are coming across as errogant, IMO
No offense to you, but I don't really get what you were looking for
. You come on here as an admitted new owner with an issue and ask for advice. You then proceed to shoot down pretty much every response you get like your knowledge is far superior to anyone who has responded, most of which are reasonable answers given the details you provided. Many of the things you have ruled out and shot down, I honestly don't think you have investigated enough to rule out, but whatever. Plus suggestions of some of the simple things are some of the greatest suggestions IMO, those are the things that are often overlooked.You asked us for help, if you want it great that is what this site is for, but don't be insulting or act like you have some chip on your sholder because you built a 400+ hp accord (sure it is a cool thing and obviously required some knowledge), but alot of us including myself have done some pretty in depth things with cars as well.
Just take it down a notch man, you are coming across as errogant, IMO
The wrong voltage on the MAP or ECT is a pretty decent thought, especailly the MAP, AP1s are notorious for having MAP issues (just search MAP wack). The only issue I have with that is I would think atleast with the MAP, you would have issues under normal driving, not only VTEC. Again, I could be wrong, but sounds like an issue specifically with the VTEC system to me.
Plus forgive my ignorance, but I had Kpro on my last car, so I have never had a need for OBD II datalogers, but is there anything out there short of Kpro that will actually record your real time data?? Because if it does not actually record and play back, then it will be difficult to catch and analyze the "one moment in time"
Plus forgive my ignorance, but I had Kpro on my last car, so I have never had a need for OBD II datalogers, but is there anything out there short of Kpro that will actually record your real time data?? Because if it does not actually record and play back, then it will be difficult to catch and analyze the "one moment in time"
Originally Posted by ekoo,Oct 21 2009, 08:21 PM
once i get a hold of a real-time OBD2 datalogger, i will know more.
I AM leaning towards a wrong voltage reading coming out of the MAP or ECT, not 100% sure just yet.
I AM leaning towards a wrong voltage reading coming out of the MAP or ECT, not 100% sure just yet.
My money is on what S2kRally said. The ECU thinks the car is cold. There is a moisture related short somewhere.
+1 to bgoetz
Originally Posted by Random1,Oct 21 2009, 10:59 AM
Thus it will never get to VTEC if there is something else causing the 6k rev limit (limp mode).
I think you are onto something with this thought.
Open Loop (Limp Mode) - ECU trusts nothing and resorts to a preprogrammed fuel map. The rev limit is lowered to 6k RPM.
Closed Loop - ECU uses all sensor inputs: O2, MAP, TP, Temp, etc. to adjust for "ideal" air/fuel mixture.
I would start trouble shooting anything that could cause the ECU to go into Open Loop mode.
I think you are onto something with this thought.
Open Loop (Limp Mode) - ECU trusts nothing and resorts to a preprogrammed fuel map. The rev limit is lowered to 6k RPM.
Closed Loop - ECU uses all sensor inputs: O2, MAP, TP, Temp, etc. to adjust for "ideal" air/fuel mixture.
I would start trouble shooting anything that could cause the ECU to go into Open Loop mode.
It ignores the O2 sensor. So the O2 sensor is not a factor in VTEC operation.
The ECU looks for:
MAP readings
TPS readings
Speed sensor readings
the VTEC software/hardware/wiring to be in good working order
oil pressure
coolant temp
RPM reading
does it bog down or just bounce sharply of the vtec point like it does when the engine is not properly warmed?
meaning: does the engine run properly during the rev limit or does it go into a labored or starved sound?
meaning: does the engine run properly during the rev limit or does it go into a labored or starved sound?
Originally Posted by twohoos,Oct 22 2009, 10:41 AM
OP, you need more data, and this is the way to get it. You say no history of CEL (i.e. MIL), but that doesn't mean there's no code being thrown -- in fact I guarantee that if you have an OBD2 reader plugged in WHEN THIS HAPPENS you'll get a code. Then you can just go through the trouble-shooting procedure in the Helm.
Let us know what you find!
Go to a Honda dealer or someone that has access to the HDS or laptop with a GNA 600, take a 30 seconds snapshot when the problem occurs and take a another when it's normal. Compare the two and you will find the problem








