So i hear about people saying how bad skipping gears is on the s2000.

Such as taking 4th to redline and then skipping to 6th.

I am sure just letting the clutch out and making it "do its work" for matching the speed of the engine to the tranny would indeed be bad.


But what about rev matching? Skipping from 4th to 6th but waiting until the RPMs have fallen to their appropriate speed before releasing the clutch and enguaging 6th? Would that still cause an issue?

I Always RPM match. On downshifts to an upcoming redlight and during normal acceleration. I do my best to ensure that every shift is a perfectly smooth match so that one cannot 'feel' me shifting gears. Ideally this should promote minimal clutch wear and less tranny wear right? *of course my CDV is a pain in the ass in this respect. I need to remove it*

So assuming one matches rpms is skipping gears still harmful? I couldnt see how.

 

Did you check out this thread: https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=237209

 

Yes I did. Which is why i felt the need to ask that question.

It would seem to me that letting the clutch out too soon and the tranny and syncros are forced to 'do the work' of bringing the engine RPMs down would certainly be a bad thing. (combined with an physcial feeling of sudden deceleration as the tranny slows the engine)

 

Why wouldn't you just shift to fifth, then sixth?

 

its not so much about skipping gears but about ensureing your gear selection and engine rpms are matched before letting the clutch out.

I cant see how skipping a gear could cause damage if engine rpm is = to cruising speed in whichever gear you choose to select.

EXAMPLE...going 135 in 6th...push clutch and SLAM on brakes. Slow to 45 mph, tap gas to bring rpms up to 6200 rpms and shift into second, release clutch resulting in a perfectly smooth engaugement into 2nd.

Assuming you've properly matched the engine speed to the cruising speed @ 45 in 2nd then it Should not cause any harm.

So why would skipping 4th into 6th using the same technique be a bad thing?

(examples only. I cannot remember exact rpms off the top of my head)

 

So rev matching when ur down shifting is not bad at all? I dont rev match shifting up, i jus shift....thats not bad right...yes im a noob..its my first manual car...but i do rev match when i down shift...

 

no you dont rev match upshifting b/c it's impossible. when you're upshifting the rpm's go down. Rev matching down shifts takes a load off your transmission for smoother transitions into the lower gears. (clutch in put in netruel, rev the engine a little higher than what you believe your next gear is going to be clutch in lower the gear and pop the clutch. You know you did it properly when you pop the clutch and there is no jerking, also all this happens in less than a second)

When i drive evo's and sti's i actually slip the clutch a lil during high rpm shifts. B/c the wheels can not slip, it's bad for the tranny\clutch just to pop the clutch when shifting at high rpms, this is why evo's and sti's jerk the rear when you shift it like a regular fwd or rwd car.

Hope this helps. Happy Holidays!~!

 

You are talking about two different things... transmission for one and sychros for two. If you properly rev match you can feasibly shift into any gear. Rev match or double clutch, either way.

Skipping gears is BAD for the SYNCHROS and will cause you to get locked out of other gears at the box. You should never skip gears.

Downshifting and engine braking is perfectly fine and is recommended when slowing down or coming to a stop. I don't know who told you it is hard on the tranny... as long as you are within the specs of the specified gear, letting off the clutch and letting the engine brake itself is the proper way to come to a stop.


Tim

 

ok what about this...say your in like 4th gear cruising along to a stop sign ok...and you push the clutch in and start braking till your stopped at the stop sign....can you go from 4th to 1st? like is that skip gearing bad? or from like 3rd to first?? as long as your doing <5 mph?? or should you be stopped? or should you not do this at all?? and also if i have to go from 4th to 1st by going into each gear can i "row" it by not actually letting the clutch out in each gear...or must i let the clutch out so the car actually goes INTO each gear...this whole skipping gear crap is confusing as shit...and to the people going from 3rd gear at redline to 6th....if you don't like that banshee wail at 9k wtf did you buy this car? seriously i love that sound its like a baby ferrari if you ask me :-D if it was up to me the car would have a minimum rpm of 4k at all times hahaha and every road would be one long tunnel hahahahaha

 

If you are doing this then you need to learn how to drive a manual car. You are riding the clutch all the way from 4th gear and are holding it in until you stop....

You should be downshifting at a minimum... rev-matching to be even better.

Riding the clutch till your stopped is the wrong way to drive a manual car.

Once you are stopped you can shift from 4th to 1st. It's Skip Up shifting that will lock you out of the other gears. Downshifting you can skip as long as you are in the right RPM by either rev matching or Double clutching.

It's the UPSHIFT that will kill your snychros.


Tim