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Old Apr 6, 2006 | 07:21 PM
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What are the symptoms of incorrectly gapped plugs? Are there different symptoms for plugs that are off gapped a little or alot. Or is it the same symptoms in either case?
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Old Apr 6, 2006 | 07:34 PM
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I'm not following your reasoning.
Pull them out and check the gap. If they are what they're supposed to be for your application, then any problems you may have must be attributed to something else.
Too small a gap and you'll get early fouling. The plugs won't fire well because there is too much crud in the space.
Too big a gap and the spark can't jump properly and you get a miss, usually at higher rpm.
In both cases, the symptoms from the driver's seat will feel similar.
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Old Apr 6, 2006 | 07:41 PM
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Well my car doesn't seem to pull like before and it also feels the car is not reaching redline as fast as it used to.

Also the vtec doesnt feel as powerful.....but I am not getting any miss at high rpm.
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Old Apr 6, 2006 | 07:43 PM
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That's probably not the gap.

Too wide a gap gives a drooping idle and slight miss. I played with wider gaps and found I didn't like that sensation so gapped back to normal. I would have expected the miss to be at higher rpms but didn't find that, all my symptoms appeared at or just off idle.
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Old Apr 6, 2006 | 07:44 PM
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This is a cut and paste from the NGK website:


Since the gap size has a direct affect on the spark plug's tip temperature
and on the voltage necessary to ionize (light) the air/fuel mixture, careful attention is required. Those with modified engines must remember that a modified engine with higher compression or forced induction will typically require a smaller gap settings (to ensure ignitability in these denser air/fuel mixtures). As a rule, the more power you are making, the smaller the gap you will need.

A spark plug's voltage requirement is directly proportionate to the gap size. The larger the gap, the more voltage is needed to bridge the gap. Most experienced tuners know that opening gaps up to present a larger spark to the air/fuel mixture maximizes burn efficiency. It is for this reason that most racers add high power ignition systems. The added power allows them to open the gap yet still provide a strong spark.

With this mind, many think the larger the gap the better. In fact, some aftermarket ignition systems boast that their systems can tolerate gaps that are extreme. Be wary of such claims. In most cases, the largest gap you can run may still be smaller than you think.
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Old Apr 6, 2006 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Greenlight,Apr 6 2006, 07:44 PM
This is a cut and paste from the NGK website:


Since the gap size has a direct affect on the spark plug's tip temperature
and on the voltage necessary to ionize (light) the air/fuel mixture, careful attention is required. Those with modified engines must remember that a modified engine with higher compression or forced induction will typically require a smaller gap settings (to ensure ignitability in these denser air/fuel mixtures). As a rule, the more power you are making, the smaller the gap you will need.

A spark plug's voltage requirement is directly proportionate to the gap size. The larger the gap, the more voltage is needed to bridge the gap. Most experienced tuners know that opening gaps up to present a larger spark to the air/fuel mixture maximizes burn efficiency. It is for this reason that most racers add high power ignition systems. The added power allows them to open the gap yet still provide a strong spark.

With this mind, many think the larger the gap the better. In fact, some aftermarket ignition systems boast that their systems can tolerate gaps that are extreme. Be wary of such claims. In most cases, the largest gap you can run may still be smaller than you think.
How does this help with my inquiry????
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Old Apr 7, 2006 | 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Fasttimes!!,Apr 6 2006, 08:48 PM
How does this help with my inquiry????
It has everything to do with your inquiry

Have you even pulled your plugs and inspected them???



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Old Apr 7, 2006 | 06:11 PM
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if the motor doesn't pull as hard as it's before, go do a compresion and leak down test.

I don't know what's stopping you from pulling the cover and check the gap.
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Old Apr 11, 2006 | 07:21 PM
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Well I took out the plugs and good thing I did. My car wasnt running well and come to find out the plugs all ranged from .045-.049 in gap. When I bought the plugs from Honda the parts person said they were pregapped. I didnt even ask that. But they made a note to say that. I didnt question it. I learned my lesson. Next time check them first. I purchased a .50 cent piece size gapper. Cost me $2.


Also I have a 1/2 inch torque wrench and use a 1/2 to 3/8 adapter so I could fit my extension and sparkplug socket as they are all 3/8's.

My question is if I use a adapter will I loose foot lbs in regards to accuracy?
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Old Apr 11, 2006 | 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Fasttimes!!,Apr 11 2006, 08:21 PM
Also I have a 1/2 inch torque wrench and use a 1/2 to 3/8 adapter so I could fit my extension and sparkplug socket as they are all 3/8's.

My question is if I use a adapter will I loose foot lbs in regards to accuracy?
This is not your biggest problem. Using a 1/2" torque wrench usually means that its range of torques is so big that it will not accurately measure 18 lb/ft. What is the total range of this thing? Is 18 lb/ft in the middle part of its scale? If it's a tiny blip at the beginning of the scale, it will not do the job. You may over torque and really be up the creek and you may be under torque and be up the creek with no paddle.
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