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Old Jul 9, 2016 | 06:57 AM
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^^^^^^^
New tires tend to be slippery until the mold release agent wears off, usually a coupe hundred miles. Also, there are roads which have a high crown in the center of the roadway for drainage purposes, even a properly aligned car will tend to drift on these type of roads.
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Old Jul 9, 2016 | 05:06 PM
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Why is there no caster reading? Front caster is a stability issue if not set properly. They didn't even measure caster. Take it to another shop that will do the whole job.
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Old Jul 9, 2016 | 11:14 PM
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Thanks for all the inputs! They are extremely helpful!

I contacted the shop (very famous S2000 shop here in SoCAL), they asked me to check my wheel balance weights. Sure enough, I don't have any balance weight on the front passenger side wheel, I somehow lost all of them. Since my front tires are quite old, and I never really liked the RE760 tires, I will take the chance to replace them to match the new rear S-04's and get a balance at the same time. If new tires & balance don't fix the issue, another alignment or subframe check will be next.

Just a side note, I was taking a 70mph slight left turn to merge onto another freeway (by the way, even my Honda Fit could take this turn at 80mph on all seasons). I noticed a slight tire twist from the front passenger wheel, then it came with the familiar feeling of swinging left & right. It did feel like wheel balance issue to me, so will see how it goes after I get the front wheels balanced.
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Old Jul 10, 2016 | 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by kukudm

Just a side note, I was taking a 70mph slight left turn to merge onto another freeway (by the way, even my Honda Fit could take this turn at 80mph on all seasons). I noticed a slight tire twist from the front passenger wheel, then it came with the familiar feeling of swinging left & right. It did feel like wheel balance issue to me, so will see how it goes after I get the front wheels balanced.
How can wheel balance relate to stability? Typical wheel balance issue is felt as vibes in steering wheel or chassis. I cant see how wheel balance could affect stability like you have been describing. That just doesnt make any sense.

Missing weights doesnt necessarily mean there is a balance issue. Sometimes a wheel/tire combo ends up being perfectly balanced, and doesnt need any weights.

Still, I think its a good idea to have wheels rebalanced, to make sure that wheel is ok. Not as part of efforts to address stability, but just because.

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Old Jul 10, 2016 | 12:25 PM
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I agree with Billman. At high speeds my car tramlined (wandered) with 0 toe. Adding a small amount of toe in the car feels noticeably more stable at high speed.
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Old Jul 10, 2016 | 01:00 PM
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My car will do this only on roads with rain grooves the same direction as travel, and only when going straight. It goes away if I'm going around a corner or accelerating, but it is a bit unsettling until you get used to it. It's not a big enough problem for me to adjust my alignment specs.
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Old Jul 10, 2016 | 02:47 PM
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Personally I've had the same tramlining issue on my car. I could feel it was more a rear-end tramlining than the front actually. It was/likely is possible to happen for a variety of reasons. I too originally thought it was alignment. the car didn't drive this way before, and didn't have any loose/moved adjusters. The problem has come/gone as i've changed tires over the summer this season. here's how it went:

- Tramlined bad out of storage in April. Was running michelin PSS in base AP2 sizes. Rears were worn to the cords. Changed out my tires for half-worn Yokohama S Drives in AP1 fitment. Tramlining completely went away
- Tramlining came back again after 1-2 months. Rear S-drives were worn now to ~ 1mm tread depth. Replaced rear tires only with half-worn General Exclaim UHP in AP1 fitment (much higher treadwear and softer sidewall tire i believe). Tramlining became worse.
- Drove on the street for ~20km on autocross tires (255 Rival S Square). Tramlining seemed to disappear (from the rear at least, front is now tramlining)

Meanwhile i made no alignment changes this season. So my issue appears to be very dependent on the quality of the tires and having them matched front/rear. Keep in mind this is only for my car, with a pretty standard STR autocross alignment. This may not be relevant to your car with factory settings
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Old Jul 11, 2016 | 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by HotMess
here's how it went:

- Tramlined bad out of storage in April. Was running michelin PSS in base AP2 sizes. Rears were worn to the cords. Changed out my tires for half-worn Yokohama S Drives in AP1 fitment. Tramlining completely went away
- Tramlining came back again after 1-2 months. Rear S-drives were worn now to ~ 1mm tread depth. Replaced rear tires only with half-worn General Exclaim UHP in AP1 fitment (much higher treadwear and softer sidewall tire i believe). Tramlining became worse.
Hope you dont drive in the rain! :-O

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Old Jul 11, 2016 | 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Car Analogy
How can wheel balance relate to stability? Typical wheel balance issue is felt as vibes in steering wheel or chassis. I cant see how wheel balance could affect stability like you have been describing. That just doesnt make any sense.

Missing weights doesnt necessarily mean there is a balance issue. Sometimes a wheel/tire combo ends up being perfectly balanced, and doesnt need any weights.

Still, I think its a good idea to have wheels rebalanced, to make sure that wheel is ok. Not as part of efforts to address stability, but just because.

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Agreed, balance has nothing to do with the problem based on the description.
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Old Jul 11, 2016 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Car Analogy
Hope you dont drive in the rain! :-O
Lol. I live in Nova Scotia, so it's always wet. I'm nursing myself off the S2000 as a DD for this reason. I can't afford to replace tires this often with this alignment!
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