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Old Feb 12, 2003 | 05:03 PM
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Curious on opinions from those who have installed a Vortech:

How well tuned was it without a VAFC?

If you added a VAFC after running without a VAFC, how did it affect performance? Did you notice improvement anywhere but on a dyno?
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Old Feb 12, 2003 | 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by pfb
Curious on opinions from those who have installed a Vortech:

How well tuned was it without a VAFC?

If you added a VAFC after running without a VAFC, how did it affect performance? Did you notice improvement anywhere but on a dyno?
I have to assume this is the same application as a V-AFC with a Comptech unit and I can tell you it made a huge difference. The air fuel is all over the place without a V-AFC. With a V-AFC, your tuner will be able to get the maximum power out of the car across the entire RPM range (and ensure safe A/F ratios). In narrow throttle, the ECU does a pretty good job of making corrections - I guess that's why most people don't bother with narrow throttle settings.

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Old Feb 12, 2003 | 07:29 PM
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I've always wandered this....


What is a map controller? Why would you want one?

Does the VAFC use the map controller, or does the VAFC replace the map controller?

I only know that map is Manifold Absolute Pressure.
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Old Feb 12, 2003 | 07:31 PM
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Gains are well worth it. Since it is always best to dyno the new SC installation, you can kill two birds with one stone and install the VAFC at the same time to save money on dyno time.

Narrow throttle settings are not used on the VAFC because there is alot of talk on the board about how the ECU is dynamic and learns the new settings and adjusts the fuel accordingly, effectively negating the VAFC settings. This is different at WOT because the ECU goes into open loop (to non dynamic settings).

You will find that with NA applications it is necessary to lean out the mixture... good A/F ratio hovers around 14:1 area.

With FI applications it is necessary to RICHEN the mixture... good A/F ratio hovers around the 12.5:1 to 13:1 area.

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Old Feb 12, 2003 | 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by exzeltus
I've always wandered this....


What is a map controller? Why would you want one?

Does the VAFC use the map controller, or does the VAFC replace the map controller?

I only know that map is Manifold Absolute Pressure.
The VAFC modifies the MAP signal before it gets to the ECU... essentially tricking the ECU into thinking that it needs to add/subtract fuel.

I guess the MAP controller would be the VAFC itself (because it controls the signal going into the ECU). Or maybe I did not understand the question.
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Old Feb 12, 2003 | 11:17 PM
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pfb you thinking about a Vortech after Oracle got his?
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 02:35 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by RWD_RCKT
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The VAFC modifies the MAP signal before it gets to the ECU... essentially tricking the ECU into thinking that it needs to add/subtract fuel.

I guess the MAP controller would be the VAFC itself (because it controls the signal going into the ECU).
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 05:50 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kwando
[B]pfb you thinking about a Vortech after Oracle got his?
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by pfb


Can't really let him just *buy* his way into being the fast car on the track, can I now?
LOL Gotta love the competitive spirit.
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Old Feb 13, 2003 | 10:45 AM
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I can be as fast as you or faster if I had R compounds too But the weight difference would help
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