Curious about Easter & Christians
Originally Posted by gomarlins3,Apr 8 2007, 06:46 PM
I still think it is funny that people who don't believe in a religion that believes in Jesus will close their shops or not go to work.
I appreciate everyone's comments and the kind, civil way they were offered.
Easter is the more important Christian feast as it celebrates the resurection event which is cements salvation. It was always a major feast in the Church calendar. Without Easter, there is no point to the rest of the New Tesament, i.e., no salvation. It remained also closely tied to its historical depicted date.
Christmas, on the other hand, was so minor a holiday in the early Church it was moved from when it historically would have happened to coincide with the winter solstice celebrations. Until Christmas became commercialized and popularized by the likes of Charles Dickens' A Christmas Carol and Thomas Nast's imagery, it was hardly noticeable and in some cases, as in Puritan New England, its celebration was banned.
Christmas, on the other hand, was so minor a holiday in the early Church it was moved from when it historically would have happened to coincide with the winter solstice celebrations. Until Christmas became commercialized and popularized by the likes of Charles Dickens' A Christmas Carol and Thomas Nast's imagery, it was hardly noticeable and in some cases, as in Puritan New England, its celebration was banned.
Originally Posted by ajlafleche,Apr 9 2007, 09:00 AM
Christmas, on the other hand, was so minor a holiday in the early Church it was moved from when it historically would have happened to coincide with the winter solstice celebrations. Until Christmas became commercialized and popularized by the likes of Charles Dickens' A Christmas Carol and Thomas Nast's imagery, it was hardly noticeable and in some cases, as in Puritan New England, its celebration was banned.
I appreciate everyone's comments. I'm learning a lot.
Wasn't Chrismas moved to its current date because it would coincide with an existing pagan "holiday?" When the goal was to convert the pagans, that would make some sense, right? The Orthodox and Coptic Christians celebrate the supposed original date in January, right?
Part of why Christmas was moved was the early persecution of Christians. It wouldn't be the wisest of moves to celebrate a feast in , say March letting the pwers that were know you were of a banned faith. Much easier to go along stealthily with an existing feast. Ecventually, the trappings of the older feast got incorporated into the newer one.
Given the prevalence of lambs in the stories, and, IIRC, the historic date of the census sending people back to their home towns to be couinted, Christmas should have been celebrated sometime in late marchor early April. This would also have created a celebratory conflict with Easter.
Using this as a model, I present a modest proposal: religious Christmas is moved to an early spring date. No trapings, no big secular doings, no gifting, etc. It remains a strictly religious event, like Good Friday or Yom Kippur or Ramadan.
Secular X-Mas remains where it is and all the non-religious festivities continue, shoppping, winter songs, selling, yule trees, buying gifts, etc. Business gets it frenzy of business and the religious folks get to celebrate the birth of Christ in relative peace and tranquility.
Given the prevalence of lambs in the stories, and, IIRC, the historic date of the census sending people back to their home towns to be couinted, Christmas should have been celebrated sometime in late marchor early April. This would also have created a celebratory conflict with Easter.
Using this as a model, I present a modest proposal: religious Christmas is moved to an early spring date. No trapings, no big secular doings, no gifting, etc. It remains a strictly religious event, like Good Friday or Yom Kippur or Ramadan.
Secular X-Mas remains where it is and all the non-religious festivities continue, shoppping, winter songs, selling, yule trees, buying gifts, etc. Business gets it frenzy of business and the religious folks get to celebrate the birth of Christ in relative peace and tranquility.
Originally Posted by RC - Ryder,Apr 9 2007, 10:57 AM
Wasn't Chrismas moved to its current date because it would coincide with an existing pagan "holiday?" When the goal was to convert the pagans, that would make some sense, right? The Orthodox and Coptic Christians celebrate the supposed original date in January, right?
The Celtic culture also had a winter solstice holiday - Yule - which took place around the same time.
As Christianity spread into northern Europe, the Christians exploited this holiday as well in their various campaigns to subjugate and eradicate that culture.
Originally Posted by gomarlins3,Apr 8 2007, 03:46 PM
I still think it is funny that people who don't believe in a religion that believes in Jesus will close their shops or not go to work.
Personally, I don't care if it's Christmas or National Tennis Ball Awareness Day -- a day off is always welcome!



