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Old Dec 4, 2004 | 03:53 AM
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If President Bush really meant what he says about the spread of democracy in the world he'd make his voice heard in the Ukraine. He'd join the European nations in backing the "Orange" revolution.

Here is an interesting Op-Ed/Editorial piece from today's New York Time by Nicholas Kristof titled "Let My People Go". Read this and see if you don't agree. Again, it is an Op-Ed/Editorial piece from the NY Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/04/opinion/...l?oref=login&hp
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Old Dec 4, 2004 | 04:33 AM
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In praise of the young people of Ukraine...

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/charles...k20041203.shtml
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Old Dec 4, 2004 | 05:25 AM
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What Mr. Krauthammer is missing, or chooses not to notice, is that in the Ukraine it is the people themselves who want democracy. No foreign power needs to send in tanks, guns and troops to show them the type of government that they want. In Iraq, in spite of what our faulty intelligence might have once said, the situation is exactly the opposite.

Regardless of how Mr. Bush might have flip-plopped on the issue, we went into Iraq not to spread democracy or even get rid of a dictator, we went into Iraq to "rid the area of weapons of mass destruction." Democracy only became the issue after no WMDs were found.

We have the golden opportunity to win the "hearts and minds" of the people of the Ukraine simply by speaking out in support of them. Mr. Bush, however, because of his relationship with Mr. Putin, won't do that. We are once again on the wrong side of the issue.
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Old Dec 4, 2004 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ralper,Dec 4 2004, 10:25 AM
Democracy only became the issue after no WMDs were found.
I think you're mistaken. Bush announced plans to go into Iraq prior to going to the UN for WMD approval under previous mandates which gave the US that right. Bush went to the UN because a lot of people felt that it would help to have UN approval. Bush used WMD as the issue. That issue was already before the UN.

Bush said from the beginning that a post Iraq plan must be included. It seems to me he's executing it right now.

Since then the UN has been pretty much found with it's hands in the cookie jar. And look what other nations had their finger in it too.

Seem to me the only one around here that the basic issue right is Bush.

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Old Dec 4, 2004 | 11:32 AM
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flts, you must be joking, right?... Did you not watch last year's state of the union address? Whatever...
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Old Dec 4, 2004 | 11:36 AM
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Krauthammer's right regarding the Ukraine. I also believe that they not only want a democracy, but a government that is as free as it can be from the huge corruption of their socialist past, and to be free from domination by Russia.

In Iraq, I think they want democracy too. Just like ours? No way. They'll probably spice it with quite a bit more religiosity and regional tight-rope walking, but it will be their decision. That's neat.

By the way--have you seen the "before and after" pictures of Yuvchenko? Although the doctors don't know how he it happened, it looks like he's been made a guinea pig for a skin bubbling experiment.
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