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Old Feb 28, 2026 | 02:15 PM
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It is an open secret at NASA. Others I know "in the business" during time in the military have mentioned tidbits here and there. Remains of "crafts or vehicles" have been recovered with many pieces having an effect on humans when handled. Reverse engineering has been attempted but the results are not well known. It appears in some cases communication (not with speech) the "visitors" acknowledge the existence of God. Some visitors appear to be pretty hostile when discovered by us. I have had conversations with other aviators about details of crafts we have seen. What you would imagine physics as we know it, seem to be suspended in our observations. I was party to seeing maneuvers that would bend your mind. Impossible 90 degree turns at high velocity. Acceleration like the Starship Enterprise. Actually saw some literally fantastic maneuvers about 6 months ago in the night sky at satellite level. You almost ask yourself if you really saw what you just saw.

I see the existence of others in the universe 3 ways.

1) There are no visitors and what is reported is secret hyped up technology developed for nations in some kind of technological arms race. Many sightings can be explained. I have seen videos that claim a squadron of alien ships are in view. I see a bunch of flares ejected by military aircraft floating with parachutes like the million I dropped and also observed from the ground. Many more examples.

2) Beings exists elsewhere, the universe is a pretty big place. Beings are advanced in physics and especially quantum mechanics and whatever else is there beyond that. They know how to bend time, space, dark matter and such, perhaps with transitional spaces, and can maneuver is ways we cannot conceive. We think in Newtonian/ Einstein physics which limit speed to the speed of light. Those beings who know more, would laugh at us as we might for some undiscovered tribe someplace. We don't even know what dark matter is. Some scientists say we don't understand 90% of the universe. I suspect that number is magnanimous. I believe we don't even know what we don't know. Think of a big fat ballon of the universe inside or on the shell. You want to go to the opposite side but the distance is incredible around the ballon. Push the ballon with two finger on two sides till they touch. You just went across the universe in short time bypassing time and space as we humans see it. They bend it which is how gravity does not affect their vehicles in motion.

3) Beings we observe are other transitional entities that attempt to deceive us. They are demons.

It makes no sense to me that if there were beings with superior technology visiting us, that they would be so comically stereotypical in what we think aliens would do. Why would they bother to abduct a few humans here and there just to give them a colonoscopy? Why perform some exploratory surgery and remove some organ? Some scan by some fantastic sensor and they have all the information they could want? Gather a plant here and there? It does not amount to much in the way of truly scientific or superior data gathering. They should be able to know everything, almost, about us without playing pic a boo. It is almost as if they are trying to mimic what we think aliens would do, like a B movie, and so present themselves that way to deceive us that they are something else and when exposed, to follow them as they have the true knowledge.

There have been some pretty serious government (USA) reports on these encounters and almost all have been unanimous: they are supernatural in origin. I tend to lean towards number 3. I suppose it is possible for both 2 and 3 to be true. Reports vary with the beings and craft. Some could be infernal and perhaps a few could be beings from elsewhere that, from a Christian point of view, may not have had the "fall" that we had and therefore adopted a more hands off approach. From the Catholic side, over centuries, some Saints have opined just that. "There are many rooms in my Father's house". I do not see any conflict with the Christian faith and the possibility other beings exist out there. Life had to have started somehow, perhaps independently on different planets. However, there is no auto genesis. It has to, by what we understand of science, to have had intelligent creation. Our life forms are beyond the ability of chemical aligning and continuing to develop into life forms. No souls. The supernatural is real and we have many cases that leave our science and knowledge of the world behind.

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Old Feb 28, 2026 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Scooterboy
Anything to divert from some other files!
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Old Feb 28, 2026 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by boltonblue
.....How many times in the past has a visitor arrived, looked around and said, nothing to see here, let's go.
How many times in the past has a visitor arrived, looked around and said, "there is no intelligent life here, let's go".
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Old Feb 28, 2026 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Scooterboy
How many times in the past has a visitor arrived, looked around and said, "there is no intelligent life here, let's go".
Yup they certainly do not want to clone us, lol. They probably said this place is too effing crazy for us, put it into hyper-gear and get the hell out of here.
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Old Feb 28, 2026 | 04:08 PM
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Or they may have said "give them time, they will kill each other off and then we can come back".
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Old Feb 28, 2026 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Scooterboy
Or they may have said "give them time, they will kill each other off and then we can come back".
They might have landed in Detroit and had their wheels stolen...........

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Old Feb 28, 2026 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by zeroptzero
They might have landed in Detroit and had their wheels stolen...........
They landed in Chicago, not Detroit.



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Old Feb 28, 2026 | 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by engifineer
But then you have to start thinking about how much more advanced a civilization would have to be to even accomplish that, how much longer they would have to have existed before us to be that advanced, .
Imagine you could build a time machine. Go back in the year 1400 and grab some farmer form a little village and travel with him into the Present, 2026. Show him what whe have achieved and created. Airplanes, Cars, Smartphones, computers, our Houses, atomic bombs, modern weapaons, Hospitals and medics, we where on the moon... the list go on.
And now imagine what a civilisation "Out there" wich maybe has 2000 Year advance over ous could have achived.
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Old Mar 1, 2026 | 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr.Matchbox
Imagine you could build a time machine. Go back in the year 1400 and grab some farmer form a little village and travel with him into the Present, 2026. Show him what whe have achieved and created. Airplanes, Cars, Smartphones, computers, our Houses, atomic bombs, modern weapaons, Hospitals and medics, we where on the moon... the list go on.
And now imagine what a civilisation "Out there" wich maybe has 2000 Year advance over ous could have achived.
That farmer would hurl as soon as he tasted our processed food, I think he would beg to be taken back to where he came from , lol

On a serious note, for the reasons I mentioned above they would need to have developed some amazing form of propulsion, and they would need to be almost immortal to survive the travel times needed to reach earth. It could possible, but I think probability is the unknown.
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Old Mar 1, 2026 | 09:27 AM
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Speaking of eating...
Perhaps we should be happy we haven't been visited by an alien race that finds us tasty.
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