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Old Jul 1, 2012 | 03:46 AM
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so over in tech land forum the discussion came up about -how-to-lock-window-7-clock/
It seems the owner of a company had employees he believed were resetting the computer clock to cheat on timecards.

So I pose the question, if you have an employee who you've caught cheating on time cards, what do you do?
Do you attempt to mentor and reform them?
Show them the door?


I think in a small company ( or a large one for that matter) you can't afford to have people you can't intrinsically trust.
It's the little things people do when they think no one is looking that defines integrity.

I curious about others' opinions, please discuss.
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Old Jul 1, 2012 | 03:57 AM
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That's an easy answer. They're gone, they just don't know it yet. I won't tolerate dishonesty of any kind. I've only had a couple employees over the years that I found untrustworthy. They were let go in a manner that did not allow them any recourse.

There's no reason to tolerate dishonesty. I'm not their daddy, I'm their boss.

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Old Jul 1, 2012 | 04:47 AM
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Something similar happened at the company I worked for [the Engineering Division of a large Chemical Company] about 20 years ago. At the time all computer stuff resided on the corporate mainframe. A programmer in the IT group in Engineering found a way to get into the company timekeeping database and change the vacation days he had taken...... not a lot, just a day here and there over the course of a couple of years. His boss finally discovered what was going on, security was called, he was given 1/2 hour to clean out his desk and was then escorted out the door never to be seen again.
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Old Jul 1, 2012 | 06:35 AM
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I have zero tolerant for theft. A few years ago while I was away in Sanibel Island for a company meeting, my payroll clerk decided to alter her lunch time. She was gone within a few hours after I verify with security and my assistance.
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Old Jul 1, 2012 | 06:47 AM
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When I joined my company 40+ years ago, HR gave every employee "the Golden Rule" book. It listed all of the things that, at least all they could think of at that time, you would automatically lose your job for. False time keeping was one cause for dismissal.
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Old Jul 1, 2012 | 07:33 AM
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Taking into consideration todays job market anyone demonstrating this kind of action should be history. It's called stealing.
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Old Jul 1, 2012 | 08:30 AM
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The guy I work for lets me get away with murder. I come in late, I leave early. I surf this site and other sites during work hours and I take home any of the office supplies I want. Oh yeah, I'm self-employed. But if I had an employee that did any of the above, they would be gone so fast....

Had a client that caught his secretary writing checks to herself. She even went to his home to get the bank statements out of his mailbox to alter them and replace. When he found out and had proof, he had the sheriff arrest her at her desk and walk her out in handcuffs. Yes!
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Old Jul 1, 2012 | 08:57 AM
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Gone. There are too many honest people looking for work to have to tolerate that kind of bs.
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Old Jul 1, 2012 | 09:14 AM
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Out the door!!
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Old Jul 1, 2012 | 04:08 PM
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It sure wasn't much of a discussion. The answer was easy.

After you let someone go for dishonesty, do you tell the next potential employer when they inquire about them? What are the legal ramifications you could be facing? How about unemployment compensation? Do you fire for cause?

Ask your personnel director if you have one, you might be surprised at their response.

Do you tell the next employer if they inquire?

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