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tof 04-30-2019 03:56 PM

First, do no harm.
 
That seems like an appropriate title for this thread.

For those who missed my post in the "Next Weekend" thread, here is the gist of it for your convenience. Updates will follow.


Thursday night, I removed my hearing aids and discovered the little rubber cone was missing from one of the sound tubes, which means it was in my ear canal. Not a huge deal. The tech at the hearing center had mentioned that this happens from time to time.

Friday morning, went over to the hearing center in Biloxi. Fortunately the cone was not too far in. Unfortunately they tried to remove it but only managed to push it further in. They set me up with a nearby outpatient clinic.

Friday noon-ish. Fortunately it was a very slow day at the clinic and I got right in. Unfortunately, the nurse practitioner flushed and tweezed for a very painful hour but only managed to traumatize my ear canal resulting in swelling and some bleeding. They finally gave up and recommended I go to a hospital ER.

Friday afternoon, Memorial Gulfport...ER doc took one look and called an ENT. They sent me home with an Rx for antibiotic/steroid ear drops and for a codeine-based pain med, and a Monday appointment at the ENT's office. This should allow inflammation to subside so the ENT can get at and remove the offending foreign object. So rather than Jazz Fest, my weekend has been limited to sitting/laying around the house, buzzing on codeine. Swelling has gone down but still has a ways to go. Pain has also subsided.

The good news: Jazz Fest continues next weekend.

Irony: ENT said I could have just left the cone where it was for a year or more and it would pose zero risk to my ear. So if this ever happens again I will go straight to an ENT, even if it takes a while to get an appointment.

Conclusion: Life is what happens while we are making plans.

tof 04-30-2019 04:04 PM

Soooooo....
Went to the ENT today. Had to reschedule from Monday morning.

I was impressed with the ENT. Finally felt I was with someone who could take care of my little problem.

He took a look and asked what I was doing Thursday. Turns out I am having surgery Thursday to remove the hearing aid cone that is in so far it will take surgery to get it out. Also, the NP at the walk-in clinic ruptured my ear drum with her overly aggressive probing.

Surgery should be pretty simple, with all the best scope tools and some good drugs and a light anesthesia (conscious sedation).

And the beat goes on. But I can only hear it in one ear.

Emil St-Hilaire 04-30-2019 04:13 PM

Good luck,Mike.:thumbup:

tof 04-30-2019 04:17 PM

Sorry. Could you speak up, please?

NNY S2k 04-30-2019 04:57 PM

Do they think your hearing will return?
Levi

robb 04-30-2019 05:04 PM

Good luck to you. They say the worst place to go when u are
sick and apparently when you have something stuck in your ear is the hospital.

Lainey 04-30-2019 05:37 PM

Yikes! I hope it's painless when you wake up and your hearing returns....

ralper 04-30-2019 06:25 PM

Almost the exact thing happened to me last week. The cone came off in my ear. Fortunately my wife, with a great deal of skill and a pair of tweezers, was able to remove it. Unfortunately, the cone had managed to push some ear wax into the canal. I had to go to an ENT who actually had to stick a probe in my hearing canal and vacuum it out. It took a bit of time, as was almost as painful as a root canal, but it's done and my hearing came right back.

Good luck Mike. I hope you get your hearing back.

I like your quote, "Live is what happens while we are making plans." My mother used to say something similar, "Man plans and God laughs."

dlq04 04-30-2019 07:39 PM

Mike, I am sorry to hear of the ear damage and surgery. Are they going to have follow up surgery for the ruptured ear drum? Is it repairable? My wife had Tympanoplasty done twice for the reconstruction of the eardrum at UofM hospital due to a hole in her ear drum. Her hearing is just slightly impaired now. Good luck (can you hear me shouting!).

MsPerky 05-01-2019 12:46 AM

Oh, gosh...that is the last thing I thought would happen to you, or anyone else. I hope you finally get some relief!

boltonblue 05-01-2019 03:38 AM

hmmm, zhe engineer is thinking. this should not be possible.
there should be a simple and well documented, at-home method, for resolving this type of issue.

anyone have a picture of this cone assembly in question?

S2KRAY 05-01-2019 03:56 AM


Originally Posted by tof (Post 24596622)
Sorry. Could you speak up, please?

Wow, what an ordeal. I hope it gets resolved. Are you coming up here anytime soon.

jukngene 05-01-2019 04:22 AM


Originally Posted by boltonblue (Post 24596765)
hmmm, zhe engineer is thinking. this should not be possible.
there should be a simple and well documented, at-home method, for resolving this type of issue.

anyone have a picture of this cone assembly in question?

Don't know about tof (Mike), but mine use the "Tulip" ones in this pic: I have never had an issue with it coming off the hearing aid.
https://advancedhearing.com/sites/de...hree_domes.png

This is where it is placed on the hearing aid receiver:

https://lloydhearingaid.com/products/ric_tip.jpg

dlq04 05-01-2019 04:38 AM

I'm really surprised how many of you young :) people wear hearing aids.

NNY S2k 05-01-2019 05:46 AM

^^^^I've thinking the same thing.
Levi

jukngene 05-01-2019 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by dlq04 (Post 24596786)
I'm really surprised how many of you young :) people wear hearing aids.

Heredity and exposure to jet noise and rock music will do it!

tof 05-01-2019 09:20 AM

My ENT doc did say something about repair to the ear drum while he is in there.

Years ago I ruptured an ear drum when I was unable to "pop" my ears for the duration of a 2 hour flight. After a week or two of mild ear ache I finally went to an ENT who said it was healing nicely and just needed time. There were no long term effects as far as I know.

Ray, next trip north will only be as far as Nashville where we will tend to our grandson while his mom and dad (ok...mostly his mom) is busy delivering his new little brother. We are looking at a family get-together in Ocean View in July. I will keep you posted.

Legal Bill 05-01-2019 11:28 AM

Good luck Mike. It could be worse!

tof 05-01-2019 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by Legal Bill (Post 24597040)
Good luck Mike. It could be worse!

Absolutely, Bill. As you well know. I don't expect this surgery to be a big deal, as surgeries go. I mostly started this thread because I thought it was interesting how a couple mistakes by providers can turn a small relatively minor issue into a much more serious one. I think there is a lesson there, but I'm not sure what it is, exactly.

dlq04 05-01-2019 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by tof (Post 24597059)
Absolutely, Bill. As you well know. I don't expect this surgery to be a big deal, as surgeries go. I mostly started this thread because I thought it was interesting how a couple mistakes by providers can turn a small relatively minor issue into a much more serious one. I think there is a lesson there, but I'm not sure what it is, exactly.

I do. See a ENT specialist, even if you have to wait for an appointment.

ralper 05-01-2019 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by dlq04 (Post 24596786)
I'm really surprised how many of you young :) people wear hearing aids.

Too many years listening to loud music with headphones.

boltonblue 05-01-2019 04:38 PM

Pfft, who needed headphones?

My kids used to tell me to turn it down.

ralper 05-01-2019 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by boltonblue (Post 24597147)
Pfft, who needed headphones?

My kids used to tell me to turn it down.

What? Sorry, I can't hear you.

Emil St-Hilaire 05-01-2019 05:15 PM

What...what you say,Charly....:shrug:

Morris 05-01-2019 05:18 PM

Rob, I think the same thing has made my hearing bad and I have had constant ringing in my ears for 7-8 years now, 24/7. Sounds like one of the old tube tvs off channel.

ralper 05-01-2019 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by Morris (Post 24597164)
Rob, I think the same thing has made my hearing bad and I have had constant ringing in my ears for 7-8 years now, 24/7. Sounds like one of the old tube tvs off channel.

I have that too. I think it's called tinnitus. When I went to the ENT and mentioned it to him he said that there was nothing to be done about it.

Morris 05-01-2019 08:28 PM

Yup gotta live with it. You will see solutions on the internet but they are all BS or scams to take your money.

tof 05-02-2019 12:42 PM

Surgery went great. Offending object removed successfully. Zero pain as I slept through the whole thing.

This afternoon, my left ear feels "congested" because of blood and swelling. They didn't clear out the blood because it will help protect the ear drum patch for a bit. So I won't know how my hearing may have been affected for at least a few days yet. I have a follow up visit to the ENT doc in a few weeks to see how the patch is performing and how the drum is healing.

Thanks to all who took the time to comment in this thread and for all your good wishes. You guys are the best.

Emil St-Hilaire 05-02-2019 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by tof (Post 24597517)
Surgery went great. Offending object removed successfully. Zero pain as I slept through the whole thing.

This afternoon, my left ear feels "congested" because of blood and swelling. They didn't clear out the blood because it will help protect the ear drum patch for a bit. So I won't know how my hearing may have been affected for at least a few days yet. I have a follow up visit to the ENT doc in a few weeks to see how the patch is performing and how the drum is healing.

Thanks to all who took the time to comment in this thread and for all your good wishes. You guys are the best.

Wish you a quick recovery...:thumbup:

MsPerky 05-02-2019 01:41 PM

:thumbup:

dlq04 05-02-2019 01:43 PM

Sounds like it went well.

NNY S2k 05-02-2019 03:09 PM

Hope your hearing returns to what it was before this mess, if not better!
Levi

Lainey 05-02-2019 03:41 PM

Glad to hear all went well. Heal quickly.

boltonblue 05-02-2019 04:49 PM

WHAT!!!!!!

Legal Bill 05-02-2019 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by tof (Post 24597517)
Surgery went great. Offending object removed successfully. Zero pain as I slept through the whole thing.

This afternoon, my left ear feels "congested" because of blood and swelling. They didn't clear out the blood because it will help protect the ear drum patch for a bit. So I won't know how my hearing may have been affected for at least a few days yet. I have a follow up visit to the ENT doc in a few weeks to see how the patch is performing and how the drum is healing.

Thanks to all who took the time to comment in this thread and for all your good wishes. You guys are the best.

I glad it went well, Mike. A total cascading failure though, huh? How do you prevent this in the future? I'll be getting a hearing aid or two in about four months.

Morris 05-03-2019 07:06 AM

Might want to wait a bit longer. I read that in 2020 the manufacturers can sell direct to the public and the cost may be cut in half after cutting out the middleman. I'm waiting, meanwhile missing a lot of stuff I can't hear. Darn it.

NNY S2k 05-03-2019 07:44 AM

I think the "middlemen" audiologist is a better bet as they'll fine tune the hearing aids you get. I guess it all depends how severe the problem is and the ranges that a person is having problems with.
Levi

Zippy 05-03-2019 10:15 AM

Sounds like you are good to go for weekend two.
Glad to hear all went well with the ENT. :thumbup:

tof 05-03-2019 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by Legal Bill (Post 24597658)
I glad it went well, Mike. A total cascading failure though, huh? How do you prevent this in the future? I'll be getting a hearing aid or two in about four months.

If you get a hearing aid that uses a sound tube that extends into your ear canal, just be sure you know how to attach the rubber cone and any other parts that are user-replaceable. And if you should ever lose any part in your ear canal, just go to a ENT physician to get it removed. Your copay may be a little more but your chances of experiencing the kind of adventure I had will be greatly reduced.

dlq04 05-03-2019 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by tof (Post 24598050)
If you get a hearing aid that uses a sound tube that extends into your ear canal, just be sure you know how to attach the rubber cone and any other parts that are user-replaceable. And if you should ever lose any part in your ear canal, just go to a ENT physician to get it removed. Your copay may be a little more but your chances of experiencing the kind of adventure I had will be greatly reduced.

Mike, I hope to get to NO some day, the land of the House of the Rising Sun, and have a couple Ginger Ale's or something stronger with you!

boltonblue 05-04-2019 04:46 AM

I suspect part of the difference between the nurse trying it and the ENT is the ENT has the right tools.
Normal forceps are fairly big and clumsy in the ear canal. The tip is about half the width of the ear canal.
What is needed is a ground down forceps like a tweezer tip. It can grab the cone without pushing it in further.

A long time ago my 5 yr old son got a fish hook embedded in his palm.
It was in deep enough that it had to come out barb first after cutting the eye off.
After watching the nurse flounder for 15 minutes I finally took the tools from her and did it my self.

tof 05-04-2019 05:50 AM


Originally Posted by boltonblue (Post 24598130)
I suspect part of the difference between the nurse trying it and the ENT is the ENT has the right tools.
.

As those of us who work on our cars know, the right tools can certainly make the job easier.

tof 05-04-2019 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by dlq04 (Post 24598057)
Mike, I hope to get to NO some day, the land of the House of the Rising Sun, and have a couple Ginger Ale's or something stronger with you!

Don't wait forever, Dave. If you drive down in the MG, you could probably get a write-up in Jalopnik or Hagerty News Online. :cool:

boltonblue 05-16-2019 03:31 AM

Woke up at 3:00 AM this morning with tinnitus in my left ear.
still ringing away but not quite as bad.

Legal Bill 05-16-2019 04:25 AM


Originally Posted by boltonblue (Post 24602328)
Woke up at 3:00 AM this morning with tinnitus in my left ear.
still ringing away but not quite as bad.

It is always with me, but is much reduced post surgery. I have always been able to “ignore” it. I can’t think of a better word, but I just don’t focus on it. It is the auditory equivalent of driving in bad weather. I can usually ignore the raindrops, snow flakes, or fog and focus on whatever portions of the road and traffic I can see.

boltonblue 05-17-2019 04:03 AM

thankfully it continued to decrease during the day and is gone now.

S2KRAY 05-17-2019 04:11 AM


Originally Posted by tof (Post 24597517)
Surgery went great. Offending object removed successfully. Zero pain as I slept through the whole thing.

This afternoon, my left ear feels "congested" because of blood and swelling. They didn't clear out the blood because it will help protect the ear drum patch for a bit. So I won't know how my hearing may have been affected for at least a few days yet. I have a follow up visit to the ENT doc in a few weeks to see how the patch is performing and how the drum is healing.

Thanks to all who took the time to comment in this thread and for all your good wishes. You guys are the best.

Glad it was a success Mike.

MsPerky 05-17-2019 04:12 AM

Tinnitus is usually worse at night or when you wake up in the morning. Because there are no auditory stimulations/distractions when the environment is quiet. Once those come into play, the "noise" usually subsides. It is also possible if you get a hearing aid the tinnitus will get better in general, at least in the ear that has the aid.

S2KRAY 05-17-2019 04:16 AM

When we moved into our new home I got some wireless headphones. The house is very open and when we watch TV it is in different rooms. The problem here is that my wife is in the open study watching her chick shows and I am in the living room watching car shows, war movies, sports, etc and she constantly comes in and tells me to turn it down. The headphones are my savior as I can listen to my shows without her constant visits telling me you know what. And, it drowns out the noise from her TV in the study. I don't turn them up, just enough to get the nice sound from our new Sonos sound bar. Life is good again. :rolleyes:

MsPerky 05-17-2019 04:29 AM

If you have the "noise" at night, you can also try one of those sound machines (white noise) to use when sleeping.

Zippy 05-17-2019 09:25 AM

Have had tinnitus for many years, and like Bill, I have been able to "ignore" it. I guess planning on being a world-famous rock and roll drummer and practicing loudly with headphones has it's down side later in life. I didn't become a rock star, but I still hurt my ears. ;)

Morris 05-17-2019 10:20 AM

Both ears have been ringing for over 10 years. Sometimes really really loud. I'm due for hearing aids, maybe it will help when I finally break down and get them. I think listening to rock & roll loudly with headphones was my downfall.


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