Assuming you already know what the K-Brown method is, and use a rotary...

OK, so I've been using the KB for a few cars since the end of last year. First off I think it works great. I have tried with and without the water spritz, and I can tell a difference in clarity after the water. I think it cuts down time to polish since you only need 2 steps (M105 and 205) for LSP ready. However, I find it VERY messy!

I find the M105 works great with a wool pad, but not good at all with a foam pad. Have others had success with foam pads? If so, which ones, how heavy do you prime, tricks, etc.?

I find the wool pads fling wool particles EVERYWHERE no matter how much I prime or how slow I spin the pad. Have others encountered this? How do you overcome it? Do the pads get better with time?

Further, after the water spray (stage 2 of the KB method), I get a milky solution that gets flinged everywhere. So after saving time polishing I spend double the time cleaning up.

And lastly, I find the wool pads get caked up really bad. I know the KB method calls for excessive priming, which then gets, basically, dusted off as the product dries and the pad removes it. However, after a few panels the pad becomes one big sponge filled with product. I have the spur thing to clean, and it does a poor job. The only way around it is having various clean pads ready to use.

Anyways, I was hoping to get some of your insight.

 

Oh man.. the KB method made it's way here... Ready for an essay?

I've used both wool, and foam pads with the KB method. I use the megs so1o wool pads (which is what KB method was designed around--the wool version) and it works wonders. Yes, after a few uses of the wool pads, the wool fibers everywhere will subside, but not by much. Unfortunately that's just the nature of the beast when using wool. As far as priming and spurring is concerned. I put a "circle bead" around the pad, and rub it in REAL good. I can go a whole car with one wool pad. After every panel just spur the pad. I recommend getting the pad cleaning brush that DD sells, because no only does it spur off the excess polish (that'll gum up on you) but when you run the bristles of the brush along the edge of the wool pad, it'll also get out all of the dust in the pad, it works AMAZING on wool pads (not foam pads--it'll destroy them I've found..). So I would get the brush DD sells, you'll see a world of difference.

As far as foam pads is concerned. There is a TON of dusting; I mean a LOT. It's NECESSARY to wash the car after using either of the KB methods to do the job right-- though no matter what method I use, I always rinse a car down after polishing if it's 2+ steps. I have yet to try the KB Foam method on Rotary, because it works so damn well on the DA I think it'll be redundant, and probably harder on the rotary (as well all know, DA's are easier to control).

Don't worry about the milky (gummy) crap that gets flinged everywhere. You will spend a lot of time wiping down if you choose to. personally I leave the car as dusty as ever, until I'm done and then wash it all off at the end. But this depends on your method of polishing. I polish, and finish one panel at a time, instead of going around the car 2+ times after each step. It may take a little longer in the end (constantly switching pads/polishes) but it makes for a better polishing experience mentally because you aren't going BACK to where you started (again and again). I found it allows me to push through a hammered car better. but again, it's personal preference.


I'm pretty familiar with the KB method, so post up if you have any questions. I learned it all from The Twanksta (billy) though because he talks to KB on the phone like every other day (I think they're detailing boyfriends ).

Aaron

 

KB talk=essay reading/writing!

good info though, and i'm interested to see the long term effect this will have on paint correction. will the flex DA + 105/205 take over?

ok...where's billy.... surely he and his b/f have more info/updates to put out

 

Thanks espelirs2k!!! That is pretty much what I was looking for. I was not aware the KB worked good for the PC, might have to try it. I still have the hood and fascias to complete on the car tomorrow.

The car is a black MB SL500. Right now I'm doing 2 full KB cycles on each panel, and I had to hit it a few more times in certain areas of the trunk. After, one pass with 205 does the trick. It is a matter of breaking through the clear's hardness. Tomorrow I have to do the hood. The problem I am having is that there is no water hookup even remotely close (damn condos), so I am having to ONR the hell out of this one. And I don't have pressure for crevice cleaning or anything. So the increased mess with the KB method is really a problem. When I add the water, the stuff gets everywhere! There is no way no matter how little water I use I can avoid the spray

But so far the car looks great! If I had a hose I would be fine. I love the way a good hard clear coat shows after a good polish. I was laughing to myself (in super-secret-wako-self-content-and-evil-satisfaction fashion) during the wipedown of the first trunk test section, the owner was like WTH is this guy laughing about?

Tomorrow: hood and fascias. Then, some Zaino

 

I've grown interested in the KB method, mostly because I've got this PC sitting around not doing much of anything but collecting dust, and that seems a shame.

I've gathered that there are some sort of "new" versions of Meguiar's 105 and 205 to use this method with. Is Meguiars.com the best place to go to guarantee that I'll get the "latest model?"

 

[QUOTE=krshultz,Mar 23 2009, 09:18 PM] I've grown interested in the KB method, mostly because I've got this PC sitting around not doing much of anything but collecting dust, and that seems a shame.

I've gathered that there are some sort of "new" versions of Meguiar's 105 and 205 to use this method with.

 

been there done that! nothing better then seeing perfection!

something tells me that no matter how pleased the owner is (and i'm sure he'll b VERY happy with the outcome), it won't come close to the satisfaction you'll have from a job well done. it's like an artist...

i can't wait to see the outcome

-Marc

 

Well, here is a teaser. I finished the car Thursday, but for some reason the pictures I loaded up to photobucket are small... so here is a teaser until I can re-download the pics from the camera. Overall the car came out pretty good. I was able to use much less product with the KB method on a pre-washed wool pad, and used very very little water. Cut was not as good, but better than sans water. Mess was reduced as well. Interior came out stunning! Zaino Leather Z9 and Z10 are awesome products. Anyways, I'l eave the rest for the write-up.

I want to thank all who posted here and helped with the method! Hopefully this will help others who run into a MB clear coat