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Old Jul 24, 2013 | 08:47 AM
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Starting this thread here:

I'm having some trouble with the vendor that goes by the name of McFab.

He is selling the replica Gears lips in the sponsors exterior forum. I contacted him and purchased the Authentic version of the lip from him (the one he used to make the molds from). I paid $1,000 for the lip, shipping, paypal fees, insurance, and tracking through Paypal. I will provide you with a brief history of events below, if you need more specifics I can provide copies of out PM's and texts. I paid this guy on 7/2 and with it now being 7/23 and after him missing 5 deadlines and not following up a single time I'm beginning to near the end of my patience.

I was first told that it was going to ship on the weekend after the 2nd. After he missed that deadline I followed up and was told that it was going to ship on 9th. I followed up on the 10th and he responded with pictures of massive flooding in his area and said he couldn't get to work ect... He then stated that he will get the lip picked up and shipped out that weekend. After that didn't happen he stopped responding or reading my PM's so I began sending texts.

On the 19th I was told that he had it boxed and was going to ship it tomorrow. He added that his sister got married, his son turned 1, and in the flooding his basement was destroyed. All totally understandable reasons for delay, but the fact that I had to follow up each time really aggravates me. On the 20th I asked him if he was able to ship the lip, he said yes but that the tracking number was at home on his dresser. Every day since then I have followed up and been told that he 'hasn't been home' or today he just stopped responding.

I'm not sure what to do at this point. I've tried following up with PM's and text for the past few days. He hasn't looked at my PM's since the 10th I think, and he stopped responding to my texts a few days ago.

I'm getting incredibly irritated at this point. I've been after that lip for almost 10 years now, and to get this close and have things fall apart really sucks. It looks like he's failing to communicate with anyone else who also made a purchase through him.

It's become obvious at this point that he's not responding so I'm throwing up all of the available information that I have.

I've contacted Paypal in an attempt to get my money back. The simple fact is I'd rather have the authentic Gears lip instead of the money back. I can't even begin to explain how frustrating this situation is.
Old Jul 24, 2013 | 08:49 AM
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Feezy

Sent 21 June 2013 - 09:36 AM
Now that you're producing the replicas are you interested in selling the original?


McFab

Sent 23 June 2013 - 05:38 AM

Feezy, on , said:
Now that you're producing the replicas are you interested in selling the original?


you can make me an offer and we can go from there. i want to get back what i got it for ATLEAST



Feezy

Sent 23 June 2013 - 06:23 AM
That's understandable.

I think you mentioned earlier that you picked it up for "over six bills", so let me offer you $700 +shipping.

I understand that you want to make back what you paid for it, which I;m fine with, but honestly with all of the reproductions hitting the market the price of the authentic is going to go way down. When Rockstar releases their the floodgates are going to be open, and everyone and their brother is going to have one.

Let me know.



Feezy

Sent 26 June 2013 - 07:04 AM
So? Yes? No?

Will you just tell me what you want to make this happen? You've told me to make you an offer several times, which I have. You never respond to them. I feel like you're just screwing with me.

If you don't want to part with the lip that's fine, but just tell me and I'll stop bothering you. I've been operating under the impression that you're willing to sell it, I'm just trying to figure out what you want for it so that I can see if it falls in line with what I'm willing to pay.

Let me know.



McFab

Sent 28 June 2013 - 06:00 PM
Realistically, I would want $1000 to part with this lip. I dont really even want to sell it, but thats the number that comes to my head to let it go with little regret, even tho I know I will regret it once I sell it. If thats too much I understand, but I have no problem keeping it.



McFab

Sent 30 June 2013 - 01:27 PM
Still interested?



McFab

Sent 30 June 2013 - 06:51 PM
Ill take that as a no lol



Feezy

Sent 30 June 2013 - 06:55 PM
I've been busy all weekend, and I haven't had time to sit down and think about it. $1,000 is a ton of money for a lip. Honestly, before it was replicated I would have payed it no questions. Now I'm a little hesitant.

I want the lip, I just think that's a little much. Hell, were only $300 different between offers. I'm sure we can figure something out.

EDIT: I just saw your PM asking if I was still interested, and I am. Whats up?



McFab

Sent 30 June 2013 - 08:44 PM
I paid 650 shipped. To only get 700 plus shipping there's no reason for me to sell it. I don't even want to sell it but in order for me to actually get rid of it it's gotta be worth it. And yes there are replicas now, but there's only a handful of authentics left



Feezy

Sent 30 June 2013 - 08:51 PM
I got ya.

Can I get a few days to think about it?

If we do this, how can we guarantee that i get the authentic one? It's painted Seabring correct? Do you have any pictures of that lip currently? Was is damaged at all during the molding process? What is shipping (with insurance) going to run to 85206? If we go through with this, how quickly can you ship the lip out to me?

Let me know.



McFab

Sent 30 June 2013 - 08:55 PM
The lip is currently at the fiberglass guy. It'll come to you primes and ready to paint. The "gears" logo is embedded into the fiberglass where as the replicas don't say anything inside. I could get out there this weekend since the fiberglass guy is about 3 hours from me, and then I could ship it out ASAP after that. 1000 shipped is my number and that includes Paypal fees. Let me know what u wanna do



Feezy

Sent 30 June 2013 - 08:58 PM
Oh ok, I did not realize that there was a logo on the backside. Can you get me a picture of it?

Also, why is it primed now and not painted? Was the lip damaged in anyway during the cloning process?

I'd like pictures of the lip in it's current condition, and pictures of the logo on the back. If you could snap a few of it mounted so I can get a general idea of the fitment that would be fantastic. Other than that I'm down to do this.



McFab

Sent 30 June 2013 - 09:18 PM
I'm going out to him the first batch of replicas this weekend. I will take a picture of the logo and send it to you. I can assure you it is 110% authentic



Feezy

Sent 30 June 2013 - 09:22 PM
I added this to the end of the other one, but you replied to fast:

Also, why is it primed now and not painted? Was the lip damaged in anyway during the cloning process?

I'd like pictures of the lip in it's current condition, and pictures of the logo on the back. If you could snap a few of it mounted so I can get a general idea of the fitment that would be fantastic. Other than that I'm down to do this.



McFab

Sent 30 June 2013 - 10:19 PM
It wasn't damaged but some of the paint peeled off which I knew was going to happen because that's just A risk of the process. There are lots of fitment pictures. It fits perfect. It's authentic. Ill get you pictures of the gears logo. You need to paint it red anyways paint doesn't matter.

If you want the lip let me know. If not then that's fine. Ill keep it, I'm not going to jump through all these hoops and you decide you don't want to buy it. I don't have time or patience for that. I have a son, two jobs and 3 side businesses.

110% authentic. Never damaged in any way. Crazy rare. And the price is set. Let me know what you want to do.



Feezy

Sent 01 July 2013 - 06:06 AM
Ok. That makes sense. I just wanted to make sure that the lip was re-primed due to the paint being removed and it not being damaged.

I'm sorry I'm not trying to tell you to jump through a bunch of hoops to persuade me. I just wanted to verify that the lip hasn't been damaged and repaired.

I would like to see a picture of the logo and the current condition. I've seen your previous fitment pictures, and I'll go back and look through those.

$1,000 paypaled and shipped with insurance is fine. I'll send you the money once I have the pics.
I know you already know, I just need to make sure that it's insured and it's packed properly so that it makes it to my place on once piece.

I've learned the hard way that I need to put everything I expect in writing. I've been screwed before, so I do my best to get every question I have down in writing before I send money.



McFab

Sent 01 July 2013 - 09:16 AM
Hey I understand we have all been there. It's a really nice lip and I wanted it for so long but I've got some bigger plans



Feezy

Sent 01 July 2013 - 09:28 AM
Perfect. Consider it sold. Just get me pictures when you can, and I'll get you payment.



McFab

Sent 02 July 2013 - 08:03 AM
http://i1120.photobu...zpsbbeb9f88.jpg

I got the fiberglass guy to take a pic for me. Here you go.



Feezy

Sent 02 July 2013 - 08:18 AM
Gangster.

You said you'll be able to pick it up this weekend?



McFab

Sent 02 July 2013 - 08:51 AM
Yup I can pick it up when I go to get the reps to ship out! PayPal is w.lewis.inc@gmail.com whenever you are ready



McFab

Sent 02 July 2013 - 08:55 AM
Yup I can get it this weekend when I go to pick the reps up. My Paypal email is: w.lewis.inc@gmail.com whenever you're ready.

What's your shipping address?



McFab

Sent 02 July 2013 - 08:56 AM
Yup I can ship it when I go to get the rep lips this weekend. W.lewis.inc@gmail.com is my Paypal email when you're ready.

Whats your shipping address?



Feezy

Sent 02 July 2013 - 09:00 AM
Question, how much would you charge me for a replica as well? I'm debating running a replica full time and swapping this one out.

It's just an idea, I don't know if I really need 4 lips for the car.



McFab

Sent 02 July 2013 - 09:11 AM
I could do 1350 shipped and paypal'd for both the authentic and the replica together.



McFab

Sent 02 July 2013 - 09:14 AM
I could do 1350 shipped for both the authentic and rep.



McFab

Sent 02 July 2013 - 09:21 AM
This stupid message thing keeps telling me they aren't sending but they are. Smh



Feezy

Sent 02 July 2013 - 09:32 AM
Yeah I know, this site has been terrible lately.

I think I'm going to have to pass on the replica as well for now. I might pick one up from you eventually, it's just going to depend on what I want to do with the car.

Do you need me to Paypal you right now, or can I hold off until you have the lip in hand? Let me know what works for you. With you being a vendor on here and with all the communication we've had back and forth I'm reasonably comfortable sending you the cash.

I just want to make sure, that we have everything outlined. Like I said, I've been burned in the past, and I always try to err on the side of caution when dealing with long distance transactions. So, in summary:

I will be paypal'ing you $1,000 at W.lewis.inc@gmail.com for the authentic Gears lip. This lip is primered and undamaged. This includes shipping, paypal feels, tracking number, and insurance. Please package the lip up as securely as possible to ensure that it arrives to my house in one piece. If there is a quicker/more secure shipping option that isn't insanely expensive let me know, it might be something that I can do.

You can reach me at ***-***-**** my names David.

I appreciate you selling me this lip, and giving me the opportunity to finally get my hands on something that I've been after for quite some time.

Thank you.

Feezy
***-***-****

Edit: One last thing, do you have an estimate on when you'll be able to ship it out? Would sometime next week be possible?



McFab

Sent 02 July 2013 - 10:39 AM
That's fine. I could be able to ship you the lip out as early as Monday morning. I usually have fed ex or ups pick parts going out from the shop. If you want to get the payment sent now that would be fine, that way were squared away and I can purchase the shipping label and have that out of the way. My name is will and my cellphone number is 4127288146 if you need me. Everything in your summary looks spot on.



Feezy

Sent 02 July 2013 - 11:41 AM
Payment sent.

Please double check the mailing address. For some stupid reason Paypal keeps all my old addresses in the shipping section.

I need it shipped to:

David
***My Address***
***My Address***

Please send me a tracking number when you have it.

Thanks again, I can not tell you how much I appreciate this.

-David / Feezy



McFab

Sent 02 July 2013 - 12:32 PM
No problem feezy. I think I might go wide body now. Who knows. Ill figure it out eventually



Feezy

Sent 02 July 2013 - 12:38 PM
I thought I read that you were looking at doing an LS swap? Oh I think I also read that you were looking at the Tracysports kit too.

There was a guy here locally that had the Tracysports kit. I'm not usually a fan of widebodys but he had that thing fir by a customs shop around here and man it fit like OEM. All the body lines were even and perfect. It looked so good.



McFab

Sent 02 July 2013 - 03:35 PM
Yes I'm

Still going ls1, but have been playing around with the idea of either the apr or the Tracy sports. The Tracy sports kit is just so ridiculously expensive I don't think I can justify spending that much on body panels



Feezy

Sent 08 July 2013 - 07:04 AM
Yeah, the kit is retarded expensive, but it would be rad with the LS swapped in there. At least you could really make use off all of the extra room fro wheel and tire in the rear.

How are you looking on being able to get things shipped out today?



McFab

Sent 08 July 2013 - 04:28 PM
It's looking like tomorrow. He said he still needed the lip this weekend to check and make sure the replica fitment was perfect compared to the original. Don't worry I haven't forgot about you



Feezy

Sent 08 July 2013 - 04:54 PM
Word, just keep me posted.



Feezy

Sent 10 July 2013 - 11:31 AM
How are we looking?



McFab

Sent 10 July 2013 - 11:57 AM
Looking like I needed a boat for work today! Lol. We got so much rain that the rescue boats were getting people out of their cars this morning.

Posted Image



Feezy

Sent 10 July 2013 - 12:13 PM
Holy shit. I've never seen anything like that in person. I live in the desert man, it's hot as balls around here... but nothing as bad as that.



McFab

Sent 10 July 2013 - 12:40 PM
It was insane man, i couldnt even get to work, i got down to the main road and it looked like a river instead of a road.



McFab

Sent 10 July 2013 - 12:41 PM
there are flood warning for today and tomorrow. im definitely going to pick up the lip this weekend tho 120%. i will get it shipped out same day if i can get a a decent box and packaging same day



Feezy

Sent 10 July 2013 - 12:47 PM
Word. Just keep me posted.

Also, will you do me a favor and pack the shit out of it? Reinforce the box, or do whatever you can to protect it. I got a package yesterday that was mangled from the carrier.

I'm just super concerned about it not making it to my house in one piece. >_<



Feezy

Sent 15 July 2013 - 06:30 AM
Hey man, just following up to see if you were able to get it shipped out this weekend. I don't know if you can tell but I'm super anxious!

Hope everything is well and that terrible rainstorm subsided.



Feezy

Sent 19 July 2013 - 09:06 AM
I'm following up with you again to find the status of the authentic Gears lip.

Have you been able to ship it yet? If so, whats the tracking number? I noticed you haven't read this message in almost a week but you posted in your thread that the lip were sent out, was mine included with the lips that went out? You mentioned above that you were going to be able to pick up and ship out the lips last weekend, and I still haven't heard anything.

Please let me know what the status is at your earliest possible opportunity.

David / ***-***-****



Feezy

Sent Yesterday, 06:06 AM
I'm following up once more, I need a tracking number for my authentic lip. I paid on the 2nd, it's now the
22nd. Surely you can understand how I'm starting to have reservations.

Please provide me with the tracking number for the authentic lip that you shipped.

Thank you.
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Removing this for now.
Old Jul 24, 2013 | 08:59 AM
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Man you did some research! Hopefully Will Mack comes forward and explains himself
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Until further notice, his selling rights have been revoked. He has been online but has not responded to multiple PMs. Like Sam_spider has suggested, file that paypal complaint now... I'm hoping he doesn't turn out to be a deadbeat vendor.....
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Closing this. We have a better more in depth topic for this here:

https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/102...-buy-by-mcfab/
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