The reason we ban people is not for punishment but to get rid of disruptive individuals. This guy could have, probably should have, been banned. Quite honestly, considering this guy has had at least 2 other accounts banned for abusive behavior this one probably should be too because it's against board policy to create multiple accounts, especially as a result of banning. The board was nice enough to say ok we'll let you post in your region. Much of the reason for that was you and Brant. If he had been completely banned we wouldn't even be having this conversation because I don't ever remember someone who was banned being given a second chance. Given this thread, if the issue ever comes up again about banning vs. giving someone local access, you've given me fuel for pushing for banning in every case just so that case doesn't come up again like this one has.
You haven't addressed any of the issues I brought up about this guy, namely his abuse not only of users but of mods and his statement to a moderator that he is not going to change so if we have to ban him we should. Why should we lift restrictions for a user who has conducted himself in that manner and subject ourselves to having to babysit him yet again?

 

You have valid points and I'm not disputing any claims you make about his past behavior.

What you, as moderators do on this site is your choice. Who you ban, banish, post edit, eliminate and moderate is entirely up to you and the political structure that has been established into the hierarchy of s2ki.

I, as a paid member of s2ki, have every right to post my requests, complaints, thoughts, opinions, etc. (unless you see my posts unfit or in violation of the rules, in which case, I have no right to do these things).

This is my thought, this is my request. If others join in to support my opinion, that is their choice. If others do not support it, their choice.

If you wish to take my request for WRS2K into consideration when it comes to banning or banishing other users on this site and lean toward banning just so you don't have to discuss it like you are here, that is your choice as well.

Again, in my opinion only and I'm not formulating a personal attack directly against you, but that seems like a lazy approach toward moderator duties. "Oh wait, someone requested it be lifted on someone else once, lets just ban this guy so I don't have to ever talk about it again."

Your primary focus is on his past behavior and granted, some of what he's done have been whoppers against him but to think you would have to baby-sit him? Give him access to one additional forum, Under the Hood. See what he does with it, see how it goes. Again, what's the worst thing that could happen? He types something naughty or offensive?

As far as your point of him not making this request himself, he can not do so in a public forum where everyone can post and read opinions about the matter, he's banished to the PACNW. He didn't make this request, I learned he was still in this state and thought it was time to lift it.

 

This is the dead horse that's been beat and refuses to die.

Fact: He's been given additional chances before in the form of other user accounts he created after previous bannings.

Fact: Those user accounts were then also banned for abusive behavior and other infringements of site policies which were formally agreed to at the time the account was created.

Why then should we continue to allow him to abuse other users of this site, moderators of this site, and even admins of this site when he's clearly proven on at least two prior occasions that he's not fit to be in the "general population?" Concessions were already made so that he could post and take part in his local community. I don't see a reason to believe that "second chance" number four would result in behavior different than was previously demonstrated by this individual.

Those are the consequences of repeatedly and willfully acting like an ass.

 

He doesn't need to do it in public. He can use email, or PM the appropriate people.

 

So, if he does it again, ban him from the entire site for good and be done with it. Then, the majority of you will have what you really wanted in the beginning anyway. At least it will give you something to do.

And abusing? Give me a break. Anyone that gets that offended by something someone types has other issues in their life that they need to address first.

If you all disagree with me and think I'm just smoking crack and think it shouldn't be talked about at all, just pull out your mod stick and close this thread or dumpster it. Done deal.

I'm not trying to argue with any of you, just making a request.

 

Fair enough. Request noted. I don't have the ability to grant or deny your request although I doubt it will be granted. However, your comments about people having issues if they find posts on a mesasge board offensive are dubious at best. People can and do get offended on message boards, and rightly so. What I can do is lock this thread, and I will.

 

There are issues with the request. WRS2K is unstable. By that I mean that he has been banned, reinstated, changed name, banned, reinstated, banned, reinstated, warned, asked to have his account deleted, banned and finally restricted to the PacNW sandbox. Since then, no issues.

So it's not like we banned the guy and never gave him a chance. As you can see there have been far more than what might be considered normal.