Looks like you need some moderators
My philosophy in moderating is to be seen as little as possible.
Like good referees in any sport, the better ones make the fewest calls.
[This message has been edited by Mikey (edited October 11, 2000).]
Like good referees in any sport, the better ones make the fewest calls.
[This message has been edited by Mikey (edited October 11, 2000).]
How about those inane political discussions that I'm sure will be showing up on this board as November approaches. I personally find these annoying. There are all kinds of political forums for all kinds of people. Why do these have to be posted in the S2000 forum? I don't come here to hear attacks on conservatives, although the attacks on liberals really don't bother me. However, this is the wrong place to do it. Who'll save us from these people? (You know who they are.)
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by honda_s2k:
Well, we are going to need someone to protect this board from trolls like Tiger a.k.a Chris2000 aren't we?
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That's not really a mod task. That's an admin task, since blocking his IP(s) is about all you really need. But, do we really need to block anyone? Aren't trolls people too?
Seriously, unless their flooding or interfering with the functionality of the board, why not let them put their feet in their mouths. It never made any sense to police Tiger because the board members were kicking his ass anyway.
Well, we are going to need someone to protect this board from trolls like Tiger a.k.a Chris2000 aren't we?
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That's not really a mod task. That's an admin task, since blocking his IP(s) is about all you really need. But, do we really need to block anyone? Aren't trolls people too?
Seriously, unless their flooding or interfering with the functionality of the board, why not let them put their feet in their mouths. It never made any sense to police Tiger because the board members were kicking his ass anyway.
I have nothing against censorship on the board. If the majority of the users don't like the style of a mod, we can vote him or her out. I see don't anything wrong with how ha.net's forum is run.
Remember, if they are voted as moderators, they represent the majority. I wouldn't appreciate people practicing freedom of speech on the board so the rest of us can be offended.
I have my shares of messages being erased. I have never found a reason to whine about it.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ScottB:
I certainly don't want to start a big discussion about this nor should this be taken as anything but an opinion. However, I disagree about VT & Sondra. I don't think that there are any hard and fast rules surrounding moderating. Most of the time it is common sense and judgement. Like all such things, not everyone will agree with your decisions. Perhaps they made some bad choices, however, I don't think any of us would be immune to that had we have been moderators. I never sensed a conspiracy nor even any real proclivity towards censorship from the moderators on the S2K forum. In my view they are being unfairly judged.
I agree on the no moderator idea for these forums.
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Remember, if they are voted as moderators, they represent the majority. I wouldn't appreciate people practicing freedom of speech on the board so the rest of us can be offended.
I have my shares of messages being erased. I have never found a reason to whine about it.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ScottB:
I certainly don't want to start a big discussion about this nor should this be taken as anything but an opinion. However, I disagree about VT & Sondra. I don't think that there are any hard and fast rules surrounding moderating. Most of the time it is common sense and judgement. Like all such things, not everyone will agree with your decisions. Perhaps they made some bad choices, however, I don't think any of us would be immune to that had we have been moderators. I never sensed a conspiracy nor even any real proclivity towards censorship from the moderators on the S2K forum. In my view they are being unfairly judged.
I agree on the no moderator idea for these forums.
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My criticism deals mostly with mods of forums other than S2000. Sondra did a very good job controling (censor if you want to call it).
I don't see how it can be done any better.
Anyway, I just use that as an example of how NOT to select a mod. (since most of you might not have much activity in non-s2000 forums)
Steering commitee is good in theory, but actions usually take too long to be of any help.
It maybe used as a secondary protocol to reverse an immediate action(or lack of) by a moderator, but that's about it.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cthree:
Oink, Oink!! Good to see ya MrPig!!
I think it's probably not in good taste to criticize the moderators of other boards. I know what you mean. Sunchild's link does express my personal sentiments exactly. You can say what you like, if you choose to but I dont condone(sp) it.
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I don't see how it can be done any better.
Anyway, I just use that as an example of how NOT to select a mod. (since most of you might not have much activity in non-s2000 forums)
Steering commitee is good in theory, but actions usually take too long to be of any help.
It maybe used as a secondary protocol to reverse an immediate action(or lack of) by a moderator, but that's about it.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cthree:
Oink, Oink!! Good to see ya MrPig!!
I think it's probably not in good taste to criticize the moderators of other boards. I know what you mean. Sunchild's link does express my personal sentiments exactly. You can say what you like, if you choose to but I dont condone(sp) it.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FlyingPig:
Steering commitee is good in theory, but actions usually take too long to be of any help.
It maybe used as a secondary protocol to reverse an immediate action(or lack of) by a moderator, but that's about it.[/quote]
I think it depends on what the steering committee is setup to do. The nature of a "steering committee" is to direct from a macro level, not micromanage issues and problems. The later is the reason why many such steering committees fail. A steering committee here should be assembled to set overall guidelines that posters and potential moderators need to follow. If we publish the rules, people will be less likely to get upset when sanctioning action is taken. People do get upset when they are held to an unpublished and often vague standard.
If the committee is setup to deal with macro guidelines and it is comprised of people from this site, I think it a fantastic idea.
Steering commitee is good in theory, but actions usually take too long to be of any help.
It maybe used as a secondary protocol to reverse an immediate action(or lack of) by a moderator, but that's about it.[/quote]
I think it depends on what the steering committee is setup to do. The nature of a "steering committee" is to direct from a macro level, not micromanage issues and problems. The later is the reason why many such steering committees fail. A steering committee here should be assembled to set overall guidelines that posters and potential moderators need to follow. If we publish the rules, people will be less likely to get upset when sanctioning action is taken. People do get upset when they are held to an unpublished and often vague standard.
If the committee is setup to deal with macro guidelines and it is comprised of people from this site, I think it a fantastic idea.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RT:
[B]Hi everyone!
Excuse my ignorance on the subject, but why are moderators needed. No flames please, just a simple list.
I can
[B]Hi everyone!
Excuse my ignorance on the subject, but why are moderators needed. No flames please, just a simple list.
I can
That's even worse 
Using steering committe after the fact could be useful at times, however, I do not believe in using it for planning. I believe it always fails. I have never seen a successful example. I seriously doubt you can convince me of one. But of course, it could be my attitude again it that drives me to pay absolutely no respect for the method of steering commitee.
How about a more relevant issue? I don't think there is any set of rule that can govern a forum like this. There is no way any person or steering committee can ever come up with rules that is straight forward enough for anyone to enforce.
I still think I'd rather trust and rely on personal judgements of "a few good men"....oops, or women.
But of course...that's just my 2 cents.
I just thought this board can use some ideas at its infant stage.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ScottB:
I think it depends on what the steering committee is setup to do. The nature of a "steering committee" is to direct from a macro level, not micromanage issues and problems. The later is the reason why many such steering committees fail. A steering committee here should be assembled to set overall guidelines that posters and potential moderators need to follow. If we publish the rules, people will be less likely to get upset when sanctioning action is taken. People do get upset when they are held to an unpublished and often vague standard.
If the committee is setup to deal with macro guidelines and it is comprised of people from this site, I think it a fantastic idea.
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Using steering committe after the fact could be useful at times, however, I do not believe in using it for planning. I believe it always fails. I have never seen a successful example. I seriously doubt you can convince me of one. But of course, it could be my attitude again it that drives me to pay absolutely no respect for the method of steering commitee.
How about a more relevant issue? I don't think there is any set of rule that can govern a forum like this. There is no way any person or steering committee can ever come up with rules that is straight forward enough for anyone to enforce.
I still think I'd rather trust and rely on personal judgements of "a few good men"....oops, or women.
But of course...that's just my 2 cents.
I just thought this board can use some ideas at its infant stage.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ScottB:
I think it depends on what the steering committee is setup to do. The nature of a "steering committee" is to direct from a macro level, not micromanage issues and problems. The later is the reason why many such steering committees fail. A steering committee here should be assembled to set overall guidelines that posters and potential moderators need to follow. If we publish the rules, people will be less likely to get upset when sanctioning action is taken. People do get upset when they are held to an unpublished and often vague standard.
If the committee is setup to deal with macro guidelines and it is comprised of people from this site, I think it a fantastic idea.
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