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Old May 11, 2006 | 09:27 AM
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Actually Ricky if ur refering to the hail damage there wasnt any. i was at gunn today getting an oil change/ new batterie. looked at all and all seemed to have no hail damage what so ever. as far as the used section of cars that another story. the leguna blue looked so nice in the main show room.
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Old May 11, 2006 | 10:01 AM
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yeah right... i was there for an warranty repair/ oil change/ buying a civic for couple days and 2 or 3 s2000s were severly damaged. i guess gunn honda fixed them and selling them as new.
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Old May 11, 2006 | 01:23 PM
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Which there isn't a problem with because they are still new. I think the castle hills area got hit the hardest with the hail. Heard it reached golfball sized.
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Old May 11, 2006 | 03:14 PM
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Thats a great price for new!!!
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Old May 12, 2006 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 05BerlinaFan,May 11 2006, 03:23 PM
Which there isn't a problem with because they are still new. I think the castle hills area got hit the hardest with the hail. Heard it reached golfball sized.
If the cars have been repaired, they are not new. I know this for a fact (seeing as I've had 6 years experience for Honda Motor Co. in sales/management/f&i). If a car one the ground (that is untitled) has had repairs performed, it has to have a full disclosure of the repair and also be accompanied by an acceptance letter signed by buyer and seller that states that the customer understands that the fatory paint warranty is now VOID. The car accepts dimished value for the repairs and the dealer is not obligated to, but customarily offers much in the way of savings to combat the assumed loss in value.

Mind you, when a dealer has hail cars on the ground, they are the ones making the money. They have these cars heavily insured for damage while they're still in the possession of the dealer. Under most circumstances, the dealer has a vendor readily available to perform the repairs at a much lower cost than the amount that is paid by their insurer. They then sell the car after repairs are complete, and still net quite a sizeable gross. How do I know this? I've been on the side of the desk that gets to see the end product on the balance sheet.

Long story short: don't buy a hail damaged and repaired car from the dealer. They'd need to make you some serious savings back of the dealer cost to make it worth your while.
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Old May 12, 2006 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by kurt_bradley,May 12 2006, 06:54 AM
If the cars have been repaired, they are not new. I know this for a fact (seeing as I've had 6 years experience for Honda Motor Co. in sales/management/f&i). If a car one the ground (that is untitled) has had repairs performed, it has to have a full disclosure of the repair and also be accompanied by an acceptance letter signed by buyer and seller that states that the customer understands that the fatory paint warranty is now VOID. The car accepts dimished value for the repairs and the dealer is not obligated to, but customarily offers much in the way of savings to combat the assumed loss in value.

Mind you, when a dealer has hail cars on the ground, they are the ones making the money. They have these cars heavily insured for damage while they're still in the possession of the dealer. Under most circumstances, the dealer has a vendor readily available to perform the repairs at a much lower cost than the amount that is paid by their insurer. They then sell the car after repairs are complete, and still net quite a sizeable gross. How do I know this? I've been on the side of the desk that gets to see the end product on the balance sheet.

Long story short: don't buy a hail damaged and repaired car from the dealer. They'd need to make you some serious savings back of the dealer cost to make it worth your while.
Being untitled with low miles is new in my book. Duh, I'm not going to pay the same price for a hail damaged car as for an undamaged car. I know the dealership has the legal responsiblity to disclose this information. But, the car is not pre-owned and is therefore new by general definitions...never said it was worth the same as a never before damaged vehicle.

Why not buy a hail damaged vehicle that has been repaired to factory spec? If repair shops can straighten frames and bend back fenders, hail damage (especially the type received during the latest storms) is not a reason to stay away, but more a reason to save money on the car.
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Old May 12, 2006 | 12:55 PM
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Yeah, but if the car WAS repaired, they'd better be selling it to you for less than $29k; new or not.... I'd be worried about the paint/clearcoat coming off a few years down the road even if it was a 'paintless' dent repair.

The Acura dealer right across the highway from Gunn Honda had some badly damaged cars...

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Old May 12, 2006 | 01:36 PM
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True, but if they send it to a reputable shop, hopefully any problems would be minimized. They must have got some freakish hail. I live less than a mile from both dealerships and all we got was pea sized hail, I heard the worst stuff hit castle hills. Just goes to show how varied a storm can be.
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Old May 12, 2006 | 01:36 PM
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True, but if they send it to a reputable shop, hopefully any problems would be minimized. They must have got some freakish hail. I live less than a mile from both dealerships and all we got was pea sized hail, I heard the worst stuff hit castle hills. Just goes to show how varied a storm can be.
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Old May 12, 2006 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 05BerlinaFan,May 12 2006, 12:33 PM
Why not buy a hail damaged vehicle that has been repaired to factory spec? If repair shops can straighten frames and bend back fenders, hail damage (especially the type received during the latest storms) is not a reason to stay away, but more a reason to save money on the car.
I wasn't implying that the car is no longer new. I was stating that there is a big part of the warranty being taken out (paint and corrosion). That is a big deal because then you have no real grounds for complaint/claim if the paint work and repair wasn't up to par when compared to the factory work.

The car still has diminished value because it has been repaired. In the long run, especially in resale value, the car is going to take a hit. If they did paintless dent removal, the car may come out ok...it may not. If panels have been replaced, the car definately takes a dive when an appraiser takes a look and doesn't see the factory VIN tags on the major body panels.

Basically, I wouldn't take my chances. Like I said. I've been on the dealer end of things on a number of occasions.
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