Need a Supra?
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Need a Supra?
This is here in Austin!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...item=1841743794
Absolutely incredible. I'd love to own one of these cars. They have absolute reliability, even when their HP is doubled. Need more HP - it's easy. Need an Armstrong-like sprint to the finish? This engine keeps going no matter what, even in the extremes of Texas heat. I've driven these around TWS in the hottest possible conditions, and the cars never had a single problem from the heat.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...item=1841743794
Absolutely incredible. I'd love to own one of these cars. They have absolute reliability, even when their HP is doubled. Need more HP - it's easy. Need an Armstrong-like sprint to the finish? This engine keeps going no matter what, even in the extremes of Texas heat. I've driven these around TWS in the hottest possible conditions, and the cars never had a single problem from the heat.
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From: North Richland Hills, TX
Jeff, shouldn't the title be "Want a Supra?" or "Lust for a Supra?"? Nobody NEEDS a car like that! 
Looks like it might be SW's Supra...if so, I can attest that it's the nicest one I've ever seen. He's got the bucks, and spares no expense in building his toys to kick everyone else's cars' butts (while looking better at the same time). That kind of power is not to be taken lightly, though...even my old 480hp one could be a handful if you weren't careful.
Looks like it might be SW's Supra...if so, I can attest that it's the nicest one I've ever seen. He's got the bucks, and spares no expense in building his toys to kick everyone else's cars' butts (while looking better at the same time). That kind of power is not to be taken lightly, though...even my old 480hp one could be a handful if you weren't careful.
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Yea, that might be SWs. I've got a couple of emails out to find out.
For anybody that hasn't met SW, you owe it to yourself to visit his performance car dealership every once in a while. You won't find a better one in this state!
Need, want, lust? Different words that all dance around the same basic instinct: the raw feel of acceleration! Not one genetically inherent to humans, but learned by car nutcases. A Pandora's Box that, once opened, inevitably leads to an addiction for more and more HP... at the cost of greater and greater cash flow!
Thanks to a generous and good friend, I had the thrill of driving a 440-HP TT Supra around TWS events for most of the two years that I was away in Redmond. True, you can't take it's kind of power lightly, but around the track the car was more than competent: it's handling could be described as supremely confident. I owe my permanent (and messy) "divorce" from the SVT Mustangs of my driving "childhood" to the lures of the TT Supra!
Some people dismiss this car without getting to know it's ultimate capabilities. At first, and at conventional speeds, it's steering is kind of slow. But it's perfectly weighted for triple-digit speeds. And, you do have to learn how to handle boost lag (even at 21 pds of boost), but once you master getting the turbos spun up to just the right "pre-boost point" just before starting to come out of the turn, you've got rocket-like acceleration ready to exploit.
It's only real fault was a slow and vague shifter; unfortunately the aftermarket didn't have a replacement back then. I could count the seconds being added to my lap times while finding the next gear up or down. But that's a minor point, eventually solvable, and one that would have been more minor had I been driving the car every day instead of once every couple of months.
An added benefit was that it is a really fabulous car right out of the box. Thoroughly well-engineered. Unlike most cars, it doesn't need cooling upgrades, better seats, brakes (already has large 4-piston front and 2-piston rear), or even a suspension rework (having an all-aluminum SLA coilover suspension that doesn't require major surgery to handle) to make it an excellent track car.
The Supra is IMHO the overall best of the era of the "Japanese Supercars" (including the RX-7: great chassis but fragile and way over-complicated engine; and the Skyline GT-R: ultimately the best performer but never made it to the worldwide "mainstream" because of lack of left-hand drive). While we may someday soon see an all-new V-6 or V-8 Supra, we'll never see cars like the Supra TT or GT-R again that have both an extremely competent chassis *and* can be very easily modified to double their HP without going inside the engine.
For anybody that hasn't met SW, you owe it to yourself to visit his performance car dealership every once in a while. You won't find a better one in this state!
Need, want, lust? Different words that all dance around the same basic instinct: the raw feel of acceleration! Not one genetically inherent to humans, but learned by car nutcases. A Pandora's Box that, once opened, inevitably leads to an addiction for more and more HP... at the cost of greater and greater cash flow!
Thanks to a generous and good friend, I had the thrill of driving a 440-HP TT Supra around TWS events for most of the two years that I was away in Redmond. True, you can't take it's kind of power lightly, but around the track the car was more than competent: it's handling could be described as supremely confident. I owe my permanent (and messy) "divorce" from the SVT Mustangs of my driving "childhood" to the lures of the TT Supra!
Some people dismiss this car without getting to know it's ultimate capabilities. At first, and at conventional speeds, it's steering is kind of slow. But it's perfectly weighted for triple-digit speeds. And, you do have to learn how to handle boost lag (even at 21 pds of boost), but once you master getting the turbos spun up to just the right "pre-boost point" just before starting to come out of the turn, you've got rocket-like acceleration ready to exploit.
It's only real fault was a slow and vague shifter; unfortunately the aftermarket didn't have a replacement back then. I could count the seconds being added to my lap times while finding the next gear up or down. But that's a minor point, eventually solvable, and one that would have been more minor had I been driving the car every day instead of once every couple of months.
An added benefit was that it is a really fabulous car right out of the box. Thoroughly well-engineered. Unlike most cars, it doesn't need cooling upgrades, better seats, brakes (already has large 4-piston front and 2-piston rear), or even a suspension rework (having an all-aluminum SLA coilover suspension that doesn't require major surgery to handle) to make it an excellent track car.
The Supra is IMHO the overall best of the era of the "Japanese Supercars" (including the RX-7: great chassis but fragile and way over-complicated engine; and the Skyline GT-R: ultimately the best performer but never made it to the worldwide "mainstream" because of lack of left-hand drive). While we may someday soon see an all-new V-6 or V-8 Supra, we'll never see cars like the Supra TT or GT-R again that have both an extremely competent chassis *and* can be very easily modified to double their HP without going inside the engine.
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From: North Richland Hills, TX
Well said, Jeff. MKIV Supras get plenty of attention for their insane power potential, and the completeness of the rest of the package (handling, braking, high speed stability, etc.). IMO, it's truly a poor man's supercar. Only major complaint I can think of regarding performance is that it's body isn't as stiff as more modern designs, getting downright flexy w/ the top off (a strut tower bar helps, though).
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Thanks.
And, BTW, my old "buds" from the AAS group are now royally barbequeing me in their own forum, where I placed the same comments about the Supra.
Just goes to show how limited your view of the world can be if you insist on driving the same exact car forever. It's a big world, there's so much to learn and enjoy in this hobby. The S2000 has some fabulous attributes. I'd like more of one in particular, but the overall balance is world-class.
That's why, as I said in a recent (and infamous) parody post, that as to my S2000, I can "enjoy her as she is". If I was still into Mustangs, I'd still be attempting to "change her" and would have an enormous pile of shed-off junk in my garage. You can't change basic nature, it's got to be good to start.
Basic lesson of life..... excuse the philosophying...
And, BTW, my old "buds" from the AAS group are now royally barbequeing me in their own forum, where I placed the same comments about the Supra.
Just goes to show how limited your view of the world can be if you insist on driving the same exact car forever. It's a big world, there's so much to learn and enjoy in this hobby. The S2000 has some fabulous attributes. I'd like more of one in particular, but the overall balance is world-class.
That's why, as I said in a recent (and infamous) parody post, that as to my S2000, I can "enjoy her as she is". If I was still into Mustangs, I'd still be attempting to "change her" and would have an enormous pile of shed-off junk in my garage. You can't change basic nature, it's got to be good to start.
Basic lesson of life..... excuse the philosophying...
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wont it be cheaper to just find a supra and mod it yourself?
i mean he is asking atleast over 60k for the car, you can get a decent supra with low mileage for no more than 30k. so 30k of mods can get you the exact same car... i thought when you buy aftermarket performance parts used, you would expect to get atleast a 50% discount to new price?
this car is worth no more than 45k at the most.
i mean he is asking atleast over 60k for the car, you can get a decent supra with low mileage for no more than 30k. so 30k of mods can get you the exact same car... i thought when you buy aftermarket performance parts used, you would expect to get atleast a 50% discount to new price?
this car is worth no more than 45k at the most.
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Absolutely... the late-model Supra market is a tough one. There are almost (literally) no stocks Supras left. Same for low-mileage Supras. And a few of them around aren't even TTs (and a non-TT Supra engine is a very different animal internally).
Nope, this one isn't exactly right for my pusposes ... ant I'm not in the market at the moment anyway.
Nope, this one isn't exactly right for my pusposes ... ant I'm not in the market at the moment anyway.
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Common sense doesn't exactly work in the Supra market...EVERYBODY wants them, esp. after F n F, and their prod. #'s over 5.5 years were prob. less than 1 year of S2000 production @ current levels.
That's one reason I sold mine...had an offer for $37.5K w/ ~43K miles, so I thought it would be good to take the money and run while the value was still there. (Pics @ http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/chris_soigni...rc=bc%26.view=t). All this talk of Supras makes me miss her! I love my S2000, but the Supra looked a lot more exotic. This one is much nicer, and the performance mods aren't simple bolt-ons. It takes a LOT of time, tuning, $, and patience to get a streetable car in the 9's.
Value is in the eye of the beholder, and it has a lot of bidding action for a car w/ >5 days of performance, and I'd be shocked if it didn't cost substantiall
y more.
That's one reason I sold mine...had an offer for $37.5K w/ ~43K miles, so I thought it would be good to take the money and run while the value was still there. (Pics @ http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/chris_soigni...rc=bc%26.view=t). All this talk of Supras makes me miss her! I love my S2000, but the Supra looked a lot more exotic. This one is much nicer, and the performance mods aren't simple bolt-ons. It takes a LOT of time, tuning, $, and patience to get a streetable car in the 9's.
Value is in the eye of the beholder, and it has a lot of bidding action for a car w/ >5 days of performance, and I'd be shocked if it didn't cost substantiall
y more.
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That's a good price... I might pay that if I was buying a Supra TT right now. And I might, although not to replace the S2000. Two different kinds of animals... both great for their own specific purposes...