This does not relate to me but a friend of mine who's posted on my MX5 forum.

Here's his post (can you any of the FI guys help him out - I've pasted together two of his posts)

Can anyone help? (I'll direct him to this post)
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"ok a friend of mine has just had his s2000 back from a tuning company in leigh for a turbo kit install after them having it since feb and he payed a deposit in october last year the car now puts out only 300bhp ?? to me for 5700 quid i think is discracefull imo, i have not seen the car yet but they say the injectors are upgraded the fuel pump has been upgraded its got water injecton full ic kit dunno wat turbo its got yet tho and apparently an adaptronic ecu or similair aswell but not sure

help do you think this is a bit odd for that amt of money ??"

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"ok taken it for a drive today and although it is faster it does not have the pin you back in your seat feeling unfortunatly although soon as i was in 5th and 6th bugger me did it go there are problems though

1. he has lost his temp guage and was told to pay extra 50 quid to make it work
2. one of the ic pipes is s low to the ground it would hit every speed bump if taken straight on
3. although front bumper was not in great condition all the paint on the lower lip is cracked and flaking
4. the hood has 3 slashes about 1cm diamiter
5. the oil feed pipe runs along the bottom of the manifold touching it
6. although its got bigger injectors and stronger fuel pump for some reason there using a fse power boost valve???
7. they charged him 80 quid on fuel and also did 2k in the car

any thoughts anyone ??

edit its running aem ecu
rc injectors
walbro fuel pump
hks blow off valve
water injection
big ic uknown brand
garrett t3 hybrid turbo from what it looks"
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Sorry about the weird formatting.

 

not all turbo cars produce a "pin you back in your seat feeling" and a 60bhp gain is quite a margin IMHO

 

AEM ecu - you do lose the temp gauges. Modifry does a fix for this.
Im running RC 750's and a Walbro pump. No issues.
BOV - not really important.

Looks like they can't tune. The hardware looks fine. 300bhp is honestly pathetic. It's got to either be running 5 psi or running with rubbish timing / fueling.

But I'd not pay

 

It's a 25% increase, which isn't bad in anyone's book - whether it's worth the money he paid for it, only he can say.

Did the tuner give any indication at the outset what kind of bhp increase they expected to be able to produce?

300bhp is the starting point for the kind of figures the super-charged guys are getting, although I understood the turboing would supposedly give greater increases.

There aren't many turbo-ed S2000s in the UK - it's something that is more common on the other side of the Pond. You might get more feedback in the Forced Induction forum, although inevitably it will be from our Septic cousins and so they will doubtless be amazed at how much it costs to do it over here.....

 

So they've had the car 5 months and put 2000 miles on it, charged him

 

[QUOTE=Pie_n_Chips,Jul 19 2007, 04:57 AM] So they've had the car 5 months and put 2000 miles on it, charged him

 

Just looking at the issue of him not being happy with the power figure, you are shaky ground there becuase if nothing was agreed beforehand then you can't really complain. Sounds stupid, but that's the way it is.

That garret turbo setup is capable of well over 300 bhp though, so if it isnt then it hasn't been mapped properly, or they have just mapped it safe. Again, did he ask for a figure?

1)On the temp gauge, not their fault really as the AEM loses this. As Bibbs says, it can be fixed. If they knew their stuff they should have told him, but I would have researched that myself.

2 / 3 / 4 / 5 - not acceptable.

6) They will need an uprated regulator which is what the FSE is.

7) 2k miles is unacceptable. Dyno mapping would cover 50 miles at the most if they knew what they were doing. Charging for fuel is a bit poor as well, if not warned up front.

Looks like a combination of not a great customer service, but not enough agreements made up front. Some of the stuff is a given (the miles / car damage) but some of it is something which you should agree up front when you are looking at such a big job. THe big one for me is not agreeing a cost! Should be working toa fixed price, or its a ticket to print money...

Sounds to me like the chap in question didnt really know his stuff (may be wrong) and has just asked for a "turbo setup please"

Also I would never let anyone do this type of work, who hasn't done it before. What company was it?

Hope that doest sound harsh but there is blame on both sides.

 

PS - The Garret T3 is used on the UR Turbo kit, and is around $5500 new. Its not a big turbo, but nice and responsive.

It comes quoted as 300 bhp so you cant really complain too much...

You could expect another 20 bhp with good mapping, but depends on what boost targets you use...

http://www.ultimate-racing.com/Products2/S...pgradeKit.shtml

 

Get Mase to tune the car as he is coming over soon!!!! The best thing u can do for your car right now. For the AEM ECU tuning, doubtful if anyone over here has enough experience to do it properly, not to mention turbo S2k is a rare breed.

 

Could be worse - news could spread to the JDM Tuning forum where a single exit exhaust, VAFC and a replacement manifold will net you 50 whp anyway