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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by goldingt,Oct 30 2007, 10:09 AM
in the wet...I steer clear of VTEC unless in a straight line on open roads.
I wouldn't be so confident of this. I spun my first S (05 on RE050 with only 1000 miles thread gone) when I hit VTEC in the wet on a straight piece of road, the car swapped ends before I knew what was happening, luckily ther was no traffic and drove away but could have been much worse, either way I was very keen to upgrade to one with VSA.
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 04:11 AM
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A lot of this is happening and I am getting a lot less traction at the moment.

However I really wouldn't go from 6th to 3rd, especially when the road is wet and off camber!! The engine really will be unsettled, I would advise using the gears a bit more progressively.

Take it is easy please guys!
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 04:13 AM
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TBH, the best driver training was learning to ride a motorcycle. It's all about smoothness and "in-slow" and "out-fast". Also teaches you to look way ahead and judge corners better.

The S is pretty similar to a powerful motorcycle, if you don't treat it with respect, it'll bite you when you don't expect it.

There is very little you can do if you unexpectedly hit Diesel though, this would test the best drivers around.

Just glad you didn't end up pointing the wrong way though!!
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by MB,Oct 30 2007, 02:46 AM
Its not the car, its the conditions and the driver IMO.

A lot of people seem surprised to see the back lock up when dropping down 2 gears in the wet with no rev matching.

And surprised that dabbing the throttle on a tight wet bend will provoke the back out....

Odd.
not necissarily as i posted a few weeks back about some fun on leaft strewn, wet unmarked roads

to recap one bit I went round quite a tight corner (ok not as tight as aroundabout) in 3rd and 25mph and floored it. not gentle prod - right foot flat on the floor.

not even a twitch from the back end even though road wet and full of mushy leaves.

so driver error might account for some of it but no question alot i feel is to do with road conditions
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by cullywoo,Oct 30 2007, 08:07 AM
I wouldn't be so confident of this. I spun my first S (05 on RE050 with only 1000 miles thread gone) when I hit VTEC in the wet on a straight piece of road, the car swapped ends before I knew what was happening, luckily ther was no traffic and drove away but could have been much worse, either way I was very keen to upgrade to one with VSA.
You wen looking for that with a spot light.
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 04:49 AM
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Rapsc, I do agree with you but as a driver you need to adapt to road conditions. I was dubious about going on a defensive driving course, but it was actually veru useful.

Often you can predict when things like leaves can be an issue, ie its been aining and you are on a country road etc...

Over head powerlines / phone cables crossing can and often will indicate there is a junction ahead which may be hidden.

Signs with twin posts on them can indicate exposed areas prone to high winds...

Etc...
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 04:51 AM
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i nearly lost it this morning on my mountain bike, front wheel went out from under me..

bottom line is it's been fairly dry so the roads are dirty, when it does get wet that makes them very slippy indeed.

i've only got 3mm left but my car will mostly be sat in my garage for the next few months
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 04:58 AM
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Wouldn't blame the tyres .. really, more the driving style ..

Last winter I was sliding about quite hapily with the SC on and tyres like this:



The S2000 is an easy car to control when coming from something ME and proper twitchy. You just need to get used to no quick changes in movement (throttle, braking or steering) when grip is minimal.
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 04:58 AM
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Ah I see the special SXOC Diesil has made its way to S2ki too, the diesil that only ever affects the rear wheels!
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Rapscallion,Oct 30 2007, 12:21 PM
not even a twitch from the back end even though road wet and full of mushy leaves.
I think we need to be a little bit careful here, I went looking for your post and your point was basically "high gear / low revs = difficult to get into trouble". Sure, we could all drive around in 5th, but it wouldn't be much fun.

All this talk of diesel and tyres concerns me as people might think this was just a one off (or unlucky). The "skill" is trying to factor in and optimise for all the variables involved, and the only person that can do that is the driver. If you aren't "smooth" with your inputs then we'll see more and more posts like this and we've already seen a few as winter starts to set in.

Comments like the one above worry me in that I think they inspire false confidence if taken out of context.
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