Hey guys, Im pondering SC---> Turbo (Inline Pro GT35R)

Right now Im gathering as much info as possible- seeing how realistic this transition is going to be. Ive spoken with Mike and JR and gotten some great info but there are still a few hurdles for me to jump before Im comfortable making the switch. The biggest obstacle right now is who will tune my EMS, I know Mike is going to Christian over at Cobb tuning but I want to see what other options I have- Im willing to take the car on a short road trip If need be, to get a qualified AEM tuner who is familiar with tuning a turbo S2K but I have a feeling our UTAH resources are limited. I want a low maintenance--- reliable tune with power somewhere around 375-400 whp.

One of the things that drew me to going with a supercharger initially was the required maintenance (or lack there of) I love driving my car, I love cleaning my car, I dont love constantly having to adjust things so they work properly- I dont have the knowledge or the desire to create algorithims to fix tuning issues. Any input you guys have would be appreciated.

Little background on my situation- AP1 with a brand new AP2 motor and tranny (8k miles) My AP1 motor mysteriously failed with only 30k miles on it 2 weeks ago- car has been in the shop since, new motor gets here this weekend- Using this shitty situation as an oppurtunity to upgrade rather than crawl into a ball and cry-

 

Joe down here in utah county at turbo labs can tune your car. He is doing mine in the next couple of days. If you want I can pm you his phone number

 

Joe would do a good job at it.....whats the matter DJ, don't think I can tune it?

J. R.

 

Yeah Ive heard of Joe- I tried getting his number today- but there was no Turbo Lab # in the directory- PM me his info when you get a chance- Thanks

JR- I know you could tune it, Im just researching my options.

 

what set up are you running? Maybe we will be running a similar map-

 

Eh its ok.

You got to have someone you trust and its kind of hard to trust a guy that is only a enthusiast and tunes his buddies cars.

Finding a tuner you trust is the most important thing, and I know its hard to trust someone like me because I don't call myself a "tuner".

Although I would love to put up some of my maps against "tuner" maps......but then again I know that is not fair. Like joe and I were talking about it would be difficult to put a "tuners" map against one of mine because the time I put into mine. My old map I had maybe 10-12 hours into it, and the reality is no one is really willing to pay for that kind of dyno time and tuner time. Usually a "tuner" will only set up a fuel and timing map based on load. The car will run great and so no one will no the difference......doesn't mean its the best, but it will be VERY good.

The AEM is so sophisticated and you can do so much that it would cost alot of $$$$$ for that.....

Shoot not even Mike would probably go for that and he is a BALLER!

Man, All this talk is just reminding me how much fun I had with my S2000. I miss it! I ran a GM boost solenoid off of the nitrous injection map for tuned PSI due to RPM. So it would run 7 psi below 6 grand then jump up to 9 psi after 6 grand so I NEVER had traction problems. I ran a alt map to add or subtract fuel based on AIT's. I used one of the 5v inputs and linked it to the nitrous map so I could switch on or off the GM boost solenoid with a switch in the car, so I could run around on 7 psi to be reliable, but could flip the switch and run the solenoid to run 7-9 psi. I ran closed loop O2 with a closed-loop o2 feedback. Knock control was fully set-up too with 2 step pull adding fuel then pulling timing. Right before I sold the car I even set-up the Baro trim so that when the guy that bought the car drove back to Michigan closer to sea level the car AEM would automatically add fuel for him. He has called me on the phone and with running closed loop o2 and the Baro map comp, the car stays flat line 11.8 A/F under WOT.

MAN I had so much fun with that car. I missed playing around with it so much. My next plan was to swap the nitrous map to control water/meth injection, and jump the gm boost solenoid over to just a 5v trigger map. I would have lost the staged boosting but would have gained a variable water/meth injection set-up built in. That way I could run the injection volume based on load reading and RPM.


Hey Mike, after you get your car tuned, do you think you could send me the map so I could see it. Curious what a "tuner" can do.

What ever you decided to do DJ just remember......a tuner car is a tuner car, there is no such thing as perfectly reliable, but you can save yourself a lot of headaches by taking your time and doing your research. Good luck with the project. Just call me if you got any q's. Anyone that knows me knows I can talk for HOURS about cars.

Good luck

J. R.

PS I also have joe's number if you need it just acall me. He is a really good guy, and very reasonable. Has alot of car knowledge and has variable load dyno so he will be able to dial in your torque curve WAY better then some other people who cannot load bare the car. Dyno's that cannot load bare the car are just basically like street tuning a car. Joe is a in my book.

 

Man, that mine as well have been Spanish- I didnt understand a thing you were talking about. Ive been hanging out in the FI section for a couple years now and I've learned alot- but your on another level. Ill definately be using you and your turbo knowledge in my build- I appreciate your help.

I talked to Joe tonight for a bit, he seems like a real smart guy- and his rates seem right on par with what others have paid for tuning /dyno time. He seems to be really familiar with the AEM EMS and he has tuned a few turbo S2000's already which makes me a little more comfortable- Im still curious to hear about Mikes experience with Christian, and Id like S2Kish to keep us updated on his progress this next week as well. I have a few weeks before Ill be ready to go- the motor goes in this weekend and I want to drive NA for a bit to ensure everything is ok-

I sent my blower back to Paxton so they could inspect it to see if it was responsible for my motor taking a shit- $500 dollars later they ensured me the Blower was not responsible and that its in Perfect shape. When they open it up to inspect it, they have to do new bearings and seals before they close it up. So Ive invested over a grand into my blower this last month, new belt, pulley, 06' bracketing/hardware, brand new Comptech ESM and new Bearing / Seals- whoever buys my kit is going to basically get a new Comptech kit, majority of the parts never even installed and the snail itself only has about 15k miles on it.

 

where in Utah are you at?have you thought about getting the F Con?We have a great HKS F Con tuner here in Vegas.

 

The f-con is a wonderful piggy-back ecu. And I would guess you might be refurring to Factor X as the tunner in Vegas. Just in getting the car down to vegas for the tunning would add the $400 in diffrence in cost between the two and the AEM is FAR MORE ecu.

My advice is that the F-con is a great option, but if you can have a stand alone AEM on your car.......do yourself and favor and pay the $400 bucks for it. It is worth the extra $$$$.

Now as for me and my Drive By Wire NSX........we will be looking for something like the F-con as there are currently no aftermarket companies that want to take on the risk of doing a DBW ECU. Even though I know that there are a few companies that have the technology.

J. R.

 

Dj,

Let me know if you need some translation. The FI section has alot of good info when it comes to the Hard Parts of turbo'ing the car. But if you want to get into the tunning aspect you need to head over to

www.efi101.com


I like the sight as it has alot of ECU forums there so there is just alot of good "tuning" info there to read and grasp.

As for just learning the AEM and how I did all those little tricks with it. I learned all that on the forums at

www. aempower.com

Then just went ot the forum section.

J. R.