Utah S2000 Talk
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Utah S2000 Talk
Hey guys,
If MSM doesn't mind he and I have been having some conversation back and forth and I figured that everyone could learn from some of the stuff that we have been talking about so I thought I would just post about it.
My car is running better then ever but I am preparring for the track this spring so that I can stare at MSM's tail lights all the way around.......
BUT, I have been asking about brake set-ups and such, and now I got some questions about tires.
Having brake ducting seems to be a pretty big + for these cars from what I have read. The stock set-up, while a monoblock piston, seems to be enough as long as the correct pads are used.
As you all know, and maybe saw from the drive, the ass of my car can be manipulated very easily in 1-3rd gear if I get all the way into it at anything above 4k RPM. I am interested to see what this is going to be like on a track. The turbo is a little guy, so spool is very quick, but predictable. Power comes on linearly unlike a big turbo set-up that is "ALL OR NOTHING".
If MSM doesn't mind can you just maybe cpy and post the reply's you gave me on brakes and such? If you didn't save them I have them at home on my computer, I am just up at school right now or I would post em.
Its going to be a blast to see all of you at the track this coming spring. I for one have alot to learn. While rally racing has been a blast for me, its just not the same as racing on a road corse. I am going to be all over the place.......Anyway, this forum was dying so hopefully this thread can help out a little. If anyone needs any help on the S2K let me know. All I got is the tranny to go and after that I have rebuild or touched everything on this car.
Later boyz,
PS......Mike, I know your against it, but I wanna see how we fair in a straight line race. I am just currious. I know you run 1-2 more pounds of boost than me, but I wanna see if I can keep up. I just re-did my map and added some more fuel, because its colder outside now, and the car feels about 10-20 horse less powerful to me, but I still handed a corvette and a LS1 Camero there ass this weekend. Just wanna see how we fair against eachother.
If MSM doesn't mind he and I have been having some conversation back and forth and I figured that everyone could learn from some of the stuff that we have been talking about so I thought I would just post about it.
My car is running better then ever but I am preparring for the track this spring so that I can stare at MSM's tail lights all the way around.......
BUT, I have been asking about brake set-ups and such, and now I got some questions about tires.
Having brake ducting seems to be a pretty big + for these cars from what I have read. The stock set-up, while a monoblock piston, seems to be enough as long as the correct pads are used.
As you all know, and maybe saw from the drive, the ass of my car can be manipulated very easily in 1-3rd gear if I get all the way into it at anything above 4k RPM. I am interested to see what this is going to be like on a track. The turbo is a little guy, so spool is very quick, but predictable. Power comes on linearly unlike a big turbo set-up that is "ALL OR NOTHING".
If MSM doesn't mind can you just maybe cpy and post the reply's you gave me on brakes and such? If you didn't save them I have them at home on my computer, I am just up at school right now or I would post em.
Its going to be a blast to see all of you at the track this coming spring. I for one have alot to learn. While rally racing has been a blast for me, its just not the same as racing on a road corse. I am going to be all over the place.......Anyway, this forum was dying so hopefully this thread can help out a little. If anyone needs any help on the S2K let me know. All I got is the tranny to go and after that I have rebuild or touched everything on this car.
Later boyz,
PS......Mike, I know your against it, but I wanna see how we fair in a straight line race. I am just currious. I know you run 1-2 more pounds of boost than me, but I wanna see if I can keep up. I just re-did my map and added some more fuel, because its colder outside now, and the car feels about 10-20 horse less powerful to me, but I still handed a corvette and a LS1 Camero there ass this weekend. Just wanna see how we fair against eachother.
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Safety requirements are generally dependent on the sponsoring group you run with. Racerfactory, same group that just hosted the Spring Mountain event, will be hosting a MMP event the 3rd weekend in May next year. Stock S2000 role hoops and a helmet is all they require. Helmet can be SA or M rated. If you plan on doing a lot of track events, you might as well invest in an SA rated helmet as a lot of groups require them. If you want to wear a harness, then a rollbar is required. If you want to run something like Honda Challenge, you'll need fair bit more safety equipment including a roll cage.
I highly recommend checking out the FAQs in the S2KI racing forum. Includes all kinds of detail including alignment settings, how to info for brake ducting, lots of insight on setup.
Best investment in go-fast-parts from my perspective:
1. bump steer kit (go-fast-labs)
2. four wheel alignment. You can get a lifetime unlimited aligment at Firestone for around $150. I do 4 or 5 alignments a year experimenting with different setups or switching from street to track alignment. First year or so I was paying $90 for each four wheel alignment.
3. R compond tires. A lot of debate about whether to start with street or R compounds. Most seem to suggest starting with street and then moving to R.
4. Brake ducting, fluid and track pads. MMP is going to be a fast track. You do NOT want to loose your brakes at the end of a 3500 ft straight
If I had it to do over again, I'd skip FI for the track. Plenty of guys with stock S2000 are a lot faster than me.
Focus on learning how to drive and spend the money on track time.
Flexer, glad to give the straight line thing a try. You should be faster though, as my boost comes on linearly with RPMs with peak boost not hitting until red line.
I highly recommend checking out the FAQs in the S2KI racing forum. Includes all kinds of detail including alignment settings, how to info for brake ducting, lots of insight on setup.
Best investment in go-fast-parts from my perspective:
1. bump steer kit (go-fast-labs)
2. four wheel alignment. You can get a lifetime unlimited aligment at Firestone for around $150. I do 4 or 5 alignments a year experimenting with different setups or switching from street to track alignment. First year or so I was paying $90 for each four wheel alignment.
3. R compond tires. A lot of debate about whether to start with street or R compounds. Most seem to suggest starting with street and then moving to R.
4. Brake ducting, fluid and track pads. MMP is going to be a fast track. You do NOT want to loose your brakes at the end of a 3500 ft straight
If I had it to do over again, I'd skip FI for the track. Plenty of guys with stock S2000 are a lot faster than me.
Focus on learning how to drive and spend the money on track time.Flexer, glad to give the straight line thing a try. You should be faster though, as my boost comes on linearly with RPMs with peak boost not hitting until red line.
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Yes,
It will be interesting to see how the car is on a track. It will be nice to see if all the torque of a turbo set-up and having that max torque start at 4500 can pull me out of those corners. The low end torque is just awsome. You gotta get a ride in the car to understand what I am talking about. Guys tell me all the time: " this feels like a V6 or V8".
BUT ANYWAY,
Mike where did you get your cage? Is it the old Elda engineering or was that custom? I am going to get my ass handed to me on the track so I don't really need one yet anyway for honda-challege and stuff, but just currious.
J. R.
It will be interesting to see how the car is on a track. It will be nice to see if all the torque of a turbo set-up and having that max torque start at 4500 can pull me out of those corners. The low end torque is just awsome. You gotta get a ride in the car to understand what I am talking about. Guys tell me all the time: " this feels like a V6 or V8".
BUT ANYWAY,
Mike where did you get your cage? Is it the old Elda engineering or was that custom? I am going to get my ass handed to me on the track so I don't really need one yet anyway for honda-challege and stuff, but just currious.
J. R.
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I'm looking forward to a ride in the turbo S2000!
A local guy fabricated the roll bar for me. His name is Dean. I can dig up his phone number if you're interested. Cost was about $900. Whatever you do, don't get a Cusco (aka crushco) or other cheap bar.
A local guy fabricated the roll bar for me. His name is Dean. I can dig up his phone number if you're interested. Cost was about $900. Whatever you do, don't get a Cusco (aka crushco) or other cheap bar.
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Yah,
Cody might be making me one here for around $750.
Here some more questions. The oil cooler. Did you find it necessary? Was the supercharger heating up your oil to the point that temps were getting high enough for it? How did you plumb it? Did you just grab oil at the filter usuing one of the adapter plates they sell that has a output and input or did you tap in another way?
J. R.
Cody might be making me one here for around $750.
Here some more questions. The oil cooler. Did you find it necessary? Was the supercharger heating up your oil to the point that temps were getting high enough for it? How did you plumb it? Did you just grab oil at the filter usuing one of the adapter plates they sell that has a output and input or did you tap in another way?
J. R.
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Yes, oil cooler was definitely necessary with my setup. Even stock the S2000 seems to run hot on the track if driven hard. A stock S2000 at Spring Mountain was seeing 130 c / 266 F. With my oil cooler and double sized radiator my peak oil temps were 128 to 130 celsius. I'll be getting a double FAL fan installed this winter and may opt for a vented hood as well as I'd prefer to see peak oil temps around 120 c.
Modern Garage did the oil cooler work for me. It's plumbed with an oil filter relocation adapter with the thermostat and filter mounted inline up front. I tried a number of different oil coolers. Mocal in two different sizes and an inexpensive Tru-Cool. I actually think the Tru-Cool ($72 from racerpartswholesale) was better than the Mocal ($300).
Modern Garage did the oil cooler work for me. It's plumbed with an oil filter relocation adapter with the thermostat and filter mounted inline up front. I tried a number of different oil coolers. Mocal in two different sizes and an inexpensive Tru-Cool. I actually think the Tru-Cool ($72 from racerpartswholesale) was better than the Mocal ($300).
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I didin't know you had a upgraded Radiator as well. Is it a Koyo, Fluidyne? I think that will be the first upgrade for me and then we will see if that is not enough how to go about doing the oil cooler.
J. R.
J. R.