anybody know how long they last? i have heard stories of kyokugens falling apart and they both seem similar.

 

These are high quality lug nuts and should last for a long time.

 

one problem though, if you are running anodized wheels ala volk, kinesis, hre they will "seize up" on you and be extremely difficult to remove. I just ordered some black tuner lugs from jc whitney... lugs made by gorilla and they are supposed to be pretty nice... They are also black