Any engineers out there?
#21
If I went into medicine I would definitely specialize in either oncology or anesthesiology and in terms of engineering I think it's an extremely respectable profession and I'd probably shoot for the fields of aerospace or biotechnology- would a medical program in college accept me even though I did my 4yr degree aimed towards engineering? Adrian Newey- dream engineering job
#22
If I went into medicine I would definitely specialize in either oncology or anesthesiology and in terms of engineering I think it's an extremely respectable profession and I'd probably shoot for the fields of aerospace or biotechnology- would a medical program in college accept me even though I did my 4yr degree aimed towards engineering? Adrian Newey- dream engineering job
if I had wanted to go that route
And yes, med schools like engineering students
#23
Do your 4-yr engineering degree, then use that undergrad to apply for the medical program. You're pretty much guaranteed to get in as they know that you've learned to put in the hours and get through a tough course load. Or, if you decide you've had enough of school, just stick with being an engineer.
Personally, I looked at doing medicine but the hours and schooling didn't seem to justify the further long hours and relatively low pay for the start of the career, followed by what is often merely adequate pay (for the work) once you're a full MD. It's a LOT of work to either set up a clinic of your own or else develop into a lead doctor at a hospital. If you specialize, the big bucks are a lot easier to find but it's still a lot of work. Personally, I'd probably only have done medicine if I was going to specialize, probably in surgery of some sort.
Bottom line, for me, was that an engineering career would be the better compromise for both myself and my family (better work/life balance, decent pay, good work and lots of demand). I'm living in Alberta, Canada now and engineering demand is quite high so wages are commensurately high as well. I make as much as most GPs but only have to work 8 hours a day in a relatively relaxed environment.
Personally, I looked at doing medicine but the hours and schooling didn't seem to justify the further long hours and relatively low pay for the start of the career, followed by what is often merely adequate pay (for the work) once you're a full MD. It's a LOT of work to either set up a clinic of your own or else develop into a lead doctor at a hospital. If you specialize, the big bucks are a lot easier to find but it's still a lot of work. Personally, I'd probably only have done medicine if I was going to specialize, probably in surgery of some sort.
Bottom line, for me, was that an engineering career would be the better compromise for both myself and my family (better work/life balance, decent pay, good work and lots of demand). I'm living in Alberta, Canada now and engineering demand is quite high so wages are commensurately high as well. I make as much as most GPs but only have to work 8 hours a day in a relatively relaxed environment.
#24
If I went into medicine I would definitely specialize in either oncology or anesthesiology and in terms of engineering I think it's an extremely respectable profession and I'd probably shoot for the fields of aerospace or biotechnology- would a medical program in college accept me even though I did my 4yr degree aimed towards engineering? Adrian Newey- dream engineering job
and yes they would. Med schools love non-traditional majors. Show them you are something other than the "cookie cutter" pre-med students. Especially if you are successful in one of the "hard" subjects (engineering, math, sciences- physics epecially)
#26
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However, I think that in these fields (at least as an eng) there are a couple more opportunities to grow a stronger salary base:
1. Be very good at what you do - when you do this your position can become more volatile, but generally you will be valued by your employer and often you can squeeze into an upper tier of salary (above any averages) if you are making contributions to your company that are yielding measurable extended sales, profits, efficiencies, etc. above the pack. We have a guy here who is an EXCELLENT engineer who makes quite a bit more than the rest of us, and for good reason. His job may be the first on any company-wide chopping block, but I would rather be in his position than the average engineer. The $ adds up. He's actually been laid off by this company in the past and then we brought him back years later. He basically told me (we're pretty close friends) that his salary made his layoff insignificant of course you have to manage your own finances well
2. Go management - in my opinion this is the 'easy' way out of a salary bracket. The jobs are not easy per say, but it's the easiest to break out into. And in my opinion, you cannot learn management in school (and yes, I took several classes). It's something you have to fundamentally want to do, not have to do.
3. Don't just do your job, do more - Very often in engineering, since you are (well... often are) a critical thinker, you can observe extraneous inefficiencies, deficits, etc. in a company outside of a strictly engineering role and if clever enough you can deliver your own contributions to other departments and shine. Too many engineers that I know want to come in and just do their 'high level work' and get out. Those engineers get beat to death by the man because while they are smart... they're replaceable, remarkably easily actually. And they make considerably less money.
4. Since you generally are good with numbers, it's easier to 'show your work' since you'll understand more financial concepts than the average joe such as 'true cost', capital investment, pay back period, return on investment, blah blah blah. This may not be my greatest attribute, but when I save the company $50k in lost product for a $5k investment or something.... I write it down and show it
A lot of the things I just said apply to all college degrees, pretty much... but I want to stress that I do believe (as an engineer at least) that they have exaggerated effects
#28
Edit: And honestly, I believe a masters or PhD in engineering is worthless. I can't tell you how many engineers I've worked with outside of my own company (on one of my projects) who thought they were the greatest thing since sliced bread... only to completely embarrass themselves on their lack of real-world application knowledge. Their learning curve gets so f***ed up by going that route that they usually end up behind (at least in my experience). But I will say, they do start out higher on the salary curve so I'll give them that. But I'm not in my career for the salary, I'm in it for the enjoyment of the field.
The ONLY masters program I would have considered is in chemistry.
The ONLY masters program I would have considered is in chemistry.
#29
I put in an eight hour day every day - that's it. I almost never have to stay late and I'm the head of engineering (ie, a typical position that WOULD require extra hours in most industries). I don't know any doctors that never have to work long shifts or overtime UNLESS they own their own clinic. Even then, they tend to put in extra hours as they have to doctor at their clinic, then also take care of other aspects (paperwork, bills, maintenance, employee issues, etc, etc). And, as stated, I make about the same as a general practitioner in Canada and I know I'm putting in way less hours.
That said, earlier in my career, I worked harder and put in some extra hours, especially in my last position where I was a senior design engineer. Still, overall, I've probably averaged only about 8.5 hrs per day over my 14 yr career as an engineer.
A good point was made earlier - pick a good job, not a well-paying job, and you'll do way better (ultimately) as an engineer. My first job in Texas, I was making $34K a year as a design engineer. That's a pittance but the work was excellent, I had a ton of responsibility and I was a key team member. That experience allowed me to raise my salary 250% in 4 years in Texas when I transitioned to another company. I've always enjoyed my work and I've found that if you do what you like, the money will tend to follow...
#30
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BS in Mechanical Engineering, Minor in business, and Masters in Systems Engineering. Currently a Systems Engineer in DoD but possibly making a jump out of this career path.
I was a Design Engineer right out of College.
I was a Design Engineer right out of College.