Did Renault spy on Ferrari?
05-10-2006, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Marco,May 10 2006, 09:51 AM
Doug I know its been a LONG time since you were in school, But do you remember the meaning of the word, IF?????
I jumped No where, I was just saying IF, and IF that is what current points would look like
Once again your hoping it doesnt come to furwishion, but dont be pissed Dougie, you still have 3 other Favorite teams, and 1 of them is battleing for title
Us people who only cheer 1 team, might have a reason to worry if our 1 and only team were to be in trouble with the FIA. You jump down my neck about the fuel tank from LAST year... did I mention it?? did I accuse Renault of cheating???
did I not use the word IF????
Jesus your reaction is that of a guilty person.... why would you attack an IF statement from a person who said NOTHING out of line unless you had fears it might be true??
I jumped No where, I was just saying IF, and IF that is what current points would look like
Once again your hoping it doesnt come to furwishion, but dont be pissed Dougie, you still have 3 other Favorite teams, and 1 of them is battleing for title
Us people who only cheer 1 team, might have a reason to worry if our 1 and only team were to be in trouble with the FIA. You jump down my neck about the fuel tank from LAST year... did I mention it?? did I accuse Renault of cheating???
did I not use the word IF????
Jesus your reaction is that of a guilty person.... why would you attack an IF statement from a person who said NOTHING out of line unless you had fears it might be true??
IF? That's just it, I don't see how IF could even apply as do several others.
05-10-2006, 07:55 AM
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Using binoculars and a stopwatch to time another team's refueling is a complete non-issue, IMO.
Corporate espionage to learn trade secrets is likely a criminal matter depending on the laws of whatever jurisdiction it falls under. I have no clue whether one team listening on another team's radio communications (before, during, after the race, at the track, at the factory, in the boardroom, at the technical director's home, whatever) could be classified as such.
Corporate espionage to learn trade secrets is likely a criminal matter depending on the laws of whatever jurisdiction it falls under. I have no clue whether one team listening on another team's radio communications (before, during, after the race, at the track, at the factory, in the boardroom, at the technical director's home, whatever) could be classified as such.
05-10-2006, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Balzz,May 10 2006, 06:31 AM
The Renault engineer with the binoculars had a stopwatch in hand to watch the fuel rig. To suggest that Renault is the only team to do this is extremely naive IMO. When Renault had their incredible launch control system around, members of every team would crowd around recording video and audio whenever the Renault was doing practice starts - there is nothing illegal about this.
05-10-2006, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ytdlite,May 10 2006, 10:58 AM
f1 teams are like a reliegon, they work in mysterious ways.
That has got to be an all time classic line! Well done lite.
05-10-2006, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Elistan,May 10 2006, 11:55 AM
Corporate espionage to learn trade secrets is likely a criminal matter depending on the laws of whatever jurisdiction it falls under. I have no clue whether one team listening on another team's radio communications (before, during, after the race, at the track, at the factory, in the boardroom, at the technical director's home, whatever) could be classified as such.
"espionage involves obtaining the information by accessing the place where the information is stored or accessing the people who know the information and will divulge it through some kind of subterfuge."
05-10-2006, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ytdlite,May 10 2006, 09:13 AM
i saw and heard that also on speeds race coverage. the question is, are they breaking a fia rule in doing so?
If it is true, I would rather have the FIA come down rather than the law.....
05-10-2006, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Balzz,May 10 2006, 09:31 AM
The Renault engineer with the binoculars had a stopwatch in hand to watch the fuel rig. To suggest that Renault is the only team to do this is extremely naive IMO. When Renault had their incredible launch control system around, members of every team would crowd around recording video and audio whenever the Renault was doing practice starts - there is nothing illegal about this.
05-10-2006, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by matrix,May 10 2006, 04:24 PM
That is different than cracking an encryption code...video/audio is public domain. Encrypted data is private.....
05-10-2006, 02:34 PM
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True, but not impossible if they "stole" or were given the key (not saying they did) it would make it much easier 
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So the question becomes if I was trying to crack to code is it still breaking the law? I would say yes - it would be the same as trying to break into someone's house but being caught before you made it in....
....So the question becomes if I was trying to crack to code is it still breaking the law? I would say yes - it would be the same as trying to break into someone's house but being caught before you made it in....