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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 12:12 PM
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorspor...ampionship.html

I heard some agents of Ferrari are around Brackley 24/7.
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 01:28 PM
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If only Ferrari had the budget to do that kind of stuff......
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 01:42 PM
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Ferrari spent 2008 nearly winning both championships, while in 2008 Ross Brawn spent about $400 million of Honda's dollars on a developing his 2009 car while also losing worse than anybody but Force India. If you don't recall, Honda spent just about as much money on F1 in '08 as Ferrari. But to win, they had to get twice as much time and money to develop their '09 car as anybody else, AND take advantage of a massive rule change. More evidence why rapid rule changes make F1 more boring.

For those who think that Jensen Button suddenly started winning races out of sheer skill, this is how race car development has always worked, and Ross Brawn just played his cards right and happened upon a good bit of luck to carry him through.
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bentheswift,Jun 15 2009, 04:42 PM
Ferrari spent 2008 nearly winning both championships, while in 2008 Ross Brawn spent about $400 million of Honda's dollars on a developing his 2009 car while also losing worse than anybody but Force India. If you don't recall, Honda spent just about as much money on F1 in '08 as Ferrari. But to win, they had to get twice as much time and money to develop their '09 car as anybody else, AND take advantage of a massive rule change. More evidence why rapid rule changes make F1 more boring.

For those who think that Jensen Button suddenly started winning races out of sheer skill, this is how race car development has always worked, and Ross Brawn just played his cards right and happened upon a good bit of luck to carry him through.
2004 proved Jenson was skilled....even out qualifying your chin god Shumi a few occasions, in the lesser Honda.

But if you want to go there...I guess Shumacher is not that good either since Ross was the architect of Michael's WDC's in BENETTON and FERRARI.
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 02:41 PM
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What's a "chin god?"

Jensen's history so far in F1 has been a pretty good indicator of his skill. His only win in eight years was when Raikkonen, Alonso, and Schumacher all retired with mechanical failures.

I guess if you think that Ross Brawn was the only reason Schumacher ever won a race, that is just another indicator of Button's ability to drive, though you'll have trouble convincing anyone that Schumacher is not on the same level of brilliance as Fangio, Senna, Moss and Hill.

The Brawn car is by far the fastest this year, with or without Button at the wheel. That much is too hard to argue.
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by bentheswift,Jun 16 2009, 12:42 AM
Ferrari spent 2008 nearly winning both championships, while in 2008 Ross Brawn spent about $400 million of Honda's dollars on a developing his 2009 car while also losing worse than anybody but Force India. If you don't recall, Honda spent just about as much money on F1 in '08 as Ferrari. But to win, they had to get twice as much time and money to develop their '09 car as anybody else, AND take advantage of a massive rule change. More evidence why rapid rule changes make F1 more boring.

For those who think that Jensen Button suddenly started winning races out of sheer skill, this is how race car development has always worked, and Ross Brawn just played his cards right and happened upon a good bit of luck to carry him through.


i see! so now everybody can say that shumie was also just driving a good car and that his talent is not a factor for him winning championships.

any driver needs a good car to be champion, not just button.example: hamilton cant do shit with a crappy car, as button couldnt before, but given a good car, Button is exctracting the most of its potential, while hamilton barley won the WDC and by winning less races than second place Massa. Button is very consistent, talented, and doesnt lose his temper during a race. you never know how would Brawn GP's performance be if another driver is in Button's place. can you say that if nelson Piquet was in Brawn's car, he would have done as good as button?

i think only few drivers would have done such a great job so far as button did. THE POINT IS: Button is making it look easy bcz of his sheer talent.

i totally agree with GP Mike.
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by bentheswift,Jun 15 2009, 04:42 PM
Ferrari spent 2008 nearly winning both championships, while in 2008 Ross Brawn spent about $400 million of Honda's dollars on a developing his 2009 car while also losing worse than anybody but Force India. If you don't recall, Honda spent just about as much money on F1 in '08 as Ferrari. But to win, they had to get twice as much time and money to develop their '09 car as anybody else, AND take advantage of a massive rule change. More evidence why rapid rule changes make F1 more boring.

For those who think that Jensen Button suddenly started winning races out of sheer skill, this is how race car development has always worked, and Ross Brawn just played his cards right and happened upon a good bit of luck to carry him through.
You're new so you haven't seen the typical tifosi excuse on this board that the only reason Brawn is good this year is because they started development on their '09 car early last year and Ferrari didn't have the resources to do that because they were fighting for the championship. Now Brawn is dominating the championship and has already started working on their '10 car. Ferrari should definitely have the resources to do that this year since they don't have to worry about a championship fight.
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by bentheswift,Jun 15 2009, 05:42 PM
Ferrari spent 2008 nearly winning both championships, while in 2008 Ross Brawn spent about $400 million of Honda's dollars on a developing his 2009 car while also losing worse than anybody but Force India. If you don't recall, Honda spent just about as much money on F1 in '08 as Ferrari. But to win, they had to get twice as much time and money to develop their '09 car as anybody else, AND take advantage of a massive rule change.
blah blah blah. gee, we haven't heard this excuse before. did you come up with that all on your own?
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 06:45 AM
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Legitimate and reasonable "excuses" are often perfectly evident to those familiar with the sport... as is the difference between a brilliant driver and a driver in a faster car than anyone else.
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by wickerbill,Jun 15 2009, 10:16 PM
You're new so you haven't seen the typical tifosi excuse on this board that the only reason Brawn is good this year is because they started development on their '09 car early last year and Ferrari didn't have the resources to do that because they were fighting for the championship. Now Brawn is dominating the championship and has already started working on their '10 car. Ferrari should definitely have the resources to do that this year since they don't have to worry about a championship fight.
Call it a typical Tifosi excuse if you want, but it's perfectly logical. The same also applies to McLaren and to a lesser extent Renault.
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