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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by bentheswift,Jun 16 2009, 07:45 AM
Legitimate and reasonable "excuses" are often perfectly evident to those familiar with the sport...


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Old Jun 21, 2009 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by wickerbill,Jun 15 2009, 09:16 PM
Now Brawn is dominating the championship and has already started working on their '10 car.
they are not dominating - RBR is right on them.

And BGP has not begun developing the 2010 car - they haven't even entered the series....
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Old Jun 21, 2009 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bentheswift,Jun 16 2009, 09:45 AM
Legitimate and reasonable "excuses" are often perfectly evident to those familiar with the sport... as is the difference between a brilliant driver and a driver in a faster car than anyone else.
Legitimate and reasonable EXPLAINATIONS...but since this is a HONDA board expect them to dismiss reality.
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Old Jun 21, 2009 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bentheswift,Jun 15 2009, 04:42 PM
Ferrari spent 2008 nearly winning both championships, while in 2008 Ross Brawn spent about $400 million of Honda's dollars on a developing his 2009 car while also losing worse than anybody but Force India. If you don't recall, Honda spent just about as much money on F1 in '08 as Ferrari. But to win, they had to get twice as much time and money to develop their '09 car as anybody else, AND take advantage of a massive rule change. More evidence why rapid rule changes make F1 more boring.
Yup, too funny as many here think that it is sheer superior engineering that made the 09 car as good as it is, conveniently forgetting about the same engineers delivering crap cars for the past decade...

For those who think that Jensen Button suddenly started winning races out of sheer skill, this is how race car development has always worked, and Ross Brawn just played his cards right and happened upon a good bit of luck to carry him through.
Add to that the diffuser FIA fiasco and you have exactly what the teams (BGP INCLUDED) are rebelling against the FIA about - unclear rules that costs millions in unnecessary development...
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Old Jun 22, 2009 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by matrix,Jun 21 2009, 09:05 PM
they are not dominating - RBR is right on them.

And BGP has not begun developing the 2010 car - they haven't even entered the series....
Look at the date I posted. At that time they had won 6 of the first 7 races. Button was 26 points ahead of Rubens and 32 points ahead of Vettel. Brawn also was 39.5 points ahead of RBR in the constructors championship. Of course they still have a lot of racing left and as yesterday proves they will have some tough competition, but they were dominating when I posted. How else can you define it when you have 70% more points than your nearest rival?
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