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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ccarnel,Oct 24 2006, 04:12 PM
There's a reason it's called formula
Yes, there is. Because like all race cars, they are designed within a particular set of rules. It would be relatively easy (and cheaper) to build faster, higher-performance cars. In fact, they keep tweaking the formula for slower speeds year after year so they don't exceed the safe limits of the tracks.

The reason it would be cheaper to build faster cars is that a lot of the design money goes into finding the best design tradeoffs within the rules. If you tossed the rules out, you wouldn't have to do nearly as much tweaking.

This is true of all race cars from Rotax karts to F1 or NASCAR or WRC or ...

The cars that used to really be "anything goes" were from the golden years of the Can-Am series.
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 03:57 PM
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I'd like to see them race upside down. How about a 360 in every straight?
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 06:00 PM
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As cool as it would be, they couldn't really run upside down (remember those slot car tracks where you could) b/c the fluids in the engine would not circulate properly.

BTW, my money for fastest starship would be the USS Voyager. Warp 9.97 for 1 hour I believe.
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 06:37 PM
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Aren't all the fluids under pressure? What would prevent them from circulating?
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by brent_strong,Oct 24 2006, 07:37 PM
Aren't all the fluids under pressure? What would prevent them from circulating?
The oil drains down into the oil pan via gravity. If the car were upside down then the oil would not drain down, so the pump(s) would not be able to scavenge it.
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by mikegarrison,Oct 20 2006, 10:26 PM
What's the point? A Formula Ford is not a World Rally Championship car either. Race cars are built to a set of rules and intended to race other cars in context.

This makes as much sense as arguing about whether the old Enterprise would be able to take the new Enterprise....
The old Enterprise would NEVER be able to take the new Enterprise. It's newer.
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Old Oct 25, 2006 | 07:57 AM
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I thought dry sump systems keep the oil under pressure? Otherwise the engine would be dying in every multi-G turn or braking.
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Old Oct 25, 2006 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Penforhire,Oct 25 2006, 08:57 AM
I thought dry sump systems keep the oil under pressure? Otherwise the engine would be dying in every multi-G turn or braking.
No, a dry sump still has to pick up the oil from somewhere. They just have one pump system for scavenging the oil into the remote reservoir and another pump for sending the oil from the remote reservoir to the engine.
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Old Oct 25, 2006 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Incubus,Oct 24 2006, 07:54 PM
The old Enterprise would NEVER be able to take the new Enterprise. It's newer.
depends on the Enterprise version & captain, don't you think? Archer vs. Kirk vs. Picard...
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Old Oct 25, 2006 | 08:43 PM
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mike, dry sumps can have any # or pickups. They should have no problem running a F1 engine upside down. of course they would need to make some changes to the oiling system. But a dry sump actively sucks oil out and puts it back under pressure from an external tank.

Of course an F1 engine isn't designed for being run inverted so I'm sure they would make a lot of changes.

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