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Old May 11, 2009 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Triple-H,May 11 2009, 11:03 AM
His pace slowed so Brawn could implement team orders...
That's why Jenson radioed to his engineer to tell Rubens to hurry the **** up because he was going slow. I am pretty damn sure there were no team orders and Sir Jense would have been happy to let Rubens take one. But the genius...aka Ross "The True Boss of F1" Brawn, put Sir Jense on a two stopper so he could get away from traffic on his scheduled out laps from the pits and he blew Rubens away on a heavy fuel load and hard tire.

Jenson was ALWAYS a great driver. You don't out qualify the Chin on HIS HOME TRACK when the Chin had arguably one of the best cars ever seen in F1 back in 2004. Jenson beat his ass....the boy was always quick. Now with proper equipment...he is whooping ass.

Let it be known....the BGP is NOT the fastest car on grid....it is the Red Bull...further solidifying Sir Jenson as the TRUE KING OF ENGLAND!
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Old May 11, 2009 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by GPMike,May 11 2009, 02:07 PM
But the genius...aka Ross "The True Boss of F1" Brawn, put Sir Jense on a two stopper so he could get away from traffic on his scheduled out laps from the pits and he blew Rubens away on a heavy fuel load and hard tire.
So why didn't RB put the other RB on the same strategy? Answer - JB has to win....

There is no point denying this - team orders have and always will be part of F1. I said the same when RB was doing this to RB at Ferrari....
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Old May 11, 2009 | 11:23 AM
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Jenson sure is driving well. Hot damn, his last 2 stints were amazing. If you look at his pace on the option tyre, it was very Schumi like.

There's no doubt that RBR has very similar pace to Brawn now. The last 2 races have been a combination of Jenson driving great and a bit of luck. Both races, SV has been held up behind someone. It was almost impossible for him to pass Massa due to KERS, it was a little amusing to watch. But i suppose Mr Horner should come up with a bit of a strategy if that's the case. ie. SV to pit a few laps earlier to see if he can get some track position.

Either way, there's no doubt Ross is the mastermind of strategy.

I don't really believe into the whole conspiracy theory of Ross wanting JB to win the championship now. I think Rubens was leading the race and there was no reason to put him on a 2 stopper. All he had to do was keep it up but unfortunately his last 2 stints were very slow, then he was a little unlucky as he had traffic approaching before the last stop so he had to pit early. Although, im not sure that was a very smart thing to do. Jacque Clear defintely made a mistake!

Good race overall. Can't wait for Monaco.
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Old May 11, 2009 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by matrix,May 11 2009, 02:22 PM
So why didn't RB put the other RB on the same strategy? Answer - JB has to win....

There is no point denying this - team orders have and always will be part of F1. I said the same when RB was doing this to RB at Ferrari....
You cannot compare this situation like others. Team order may come into factor later in the year if it's obvious that JB is ahead of RB but not now.


Both cars were on a 3 stopper, why would they change the leading drivers strategy when Brawn believes that the 3 stopper is the quicker set-up?
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Old May 11, 2009 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by GPMike,May 11 2009, 02:07 PM
Let it be known....the BGP is NOT the fastest car on grid....it is the Red Bull...further solidifying Sir Jenson as the TRUE KING OF ENGLAND!
Then BGP is in trouble...

Before having to slow down to conserve fuel, FM was consistently turning in laptimes basically equal to MW and FM was faster than MW for several laps and opened up the gap from 0.8 to 1.2 to SV, then the radio call came in for him to slow down.

But one race does not make a comeback...we'll see what happens next.
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Old May 11, 2009 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Nabs 79,May 11 2009, 02:27 PM
You cannot compare this situation like others. Team order may come into factor later in the year if it's obvious that JB is ahead of RB but not now.


Both cars were on a 3 stopper, why would they change the leading drivers strategy when Brawn believes that the 3 stopper is the quicker set-up?
Then the strategic god called Ross Brawn made a mistake...

I don't believe that, I believe that RB is the same person he was when he was at Ferrari and he will follow the same formula for success - that includes team orders early to lock up the season...your opinion my vary...
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Old May 11, 2009 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by matrix,May 11 2009, 02:29 PM
Then BGP is in trouble...

Before having to slow down to conserve fuel, FM was consistently turning in laptimes basically equal to MW and FM was faster than MW for several laps and opened up the gap from 0.8 to 1.2 to SV, then the radio call came in for him to slow down.

But one race does not make a comeback...we'll see what happens next.
Nope. FM was not faster than the RBR's.

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_me...ce_analysis.pdf

FM was much slower on the option tyre and SV was unfortunately stuck behind him the entire race. 1.2 second gap sounds like RBR telling their driver to stay back as there's no way to pass Massa.
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Old May 11, 2009 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by matrix,May 11 2009, 02:31 PM
Then the strategic god called Ross Brawn made a mistake...

I don't believe that, I believe that RB is the same person he was when he was at Ferrari and he will follow the same formula for success - that includes team orders early to lock up the season...your opinion my vary...
Wrong again my friend. Just because RB could not keep up the pace does not mean the 3 stopper was the slower strategy. Why do i have a feeling that Schumi, Alonso, or even JB would have made it work. I even remember a few races where even though everyone else was on a 2 stopper, Schumi made the 3 stopper work incredibly well and won easily...

Also, keep in mind that when RB was pulling away from JB during his 2nd stint at < 1 sec/lap, BGP's estimations were that RB should have been about 1.3 sec/lap faster than JB.
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Old May 11, 2009 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Nabs 79,May 11 2009, 02:34 PM
Nope. FM was not faster than the RBR's.

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_me...ce_analysis.pdf

FM was much slower on the option tyre and SV was unfortunately stuck behind him the entire race. 1.2 second gap sounds like RBR telling their driver to stay back as there's no way to pass Massa.
Yes, once on the harder tires, FM times dropped off. Before that FM was faster than MW for 24 of 43 laps - used your lap times to figure that out.

This is where I am getting the Ferrari have closed the gap quite a bit and are basically on RBR's lap time now.
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Old May 11, 2009 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Nabs 79,May 11 2009, 02:37 PM
Wrong again my friend. Just because RB could not keep up the pace does not mean the 3 stopper was the slower strategy. Why do i have a feeling that Schumi, Alonso, or even JB would have made it work. I even remember a few races where even though everyone else was on a 2 stopper, Schumi made the 3 stopper work incredibly well and won easily...

Also, keep in mind that when RB was pulling away from JB during his 2nd stint at < 1 sec/lap, BGP's estimations were that RB should have been about 1.3 sec/lap faster than JB.
Oh I absolutely agree with you that any of those guys WOULD have made it work, I am saying RB knew this because of his experience with RB and made the call based on that to get JB the win....

In fact MS made a 4 stopper work in France...

Team orders are no big deal for me - I think and believe they are/should be part of F1...
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