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Old May 11, 2009 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by GPMike,May 11 2009, 02:07 PM
That's why Jenson radioed to his engineer to tell Rubens to hurry the **** up because he was going slow.
Mike, you are not able to apply logic to this, it was team orders, accept it...
If this were a Ferrari or McLaren doing it and we tried to apply logic you would never accept that.
Live with the same silly standards you impose upon us.
It was team orders, accept it, your so called great team does stuff just like the others...
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Old May 11, 2009 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by matrix,May 11 2009, 02:31 PM
I don't believe that, I believe that RB is the same person he was when he was at Ferrari and he will follow the same formula for success - that includes team orders early to lock up the season...your opinion my vary...
Nice.
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Old May 11, 2009 | 12:08 PM
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[QUOTE=matrix,May 11 2009, 02:58 PM] Yes, once on the harder tires, FM times dropped off.
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Old May 11, 2009 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Triple-H,May 11 2009, 03:07 PM
Mike, you are not able to apply logic to this, it was team orders, accept it...
If this were a Ferrari or McLaren doing it and we tried to apply logic you would never accept that.
Live with the same silly standards you impose upon us.
It was team orders, accept it, your so called great team does stuff just like the others...
If it was team orders why did RUben pass in turn 1? Why? If it was team orders Rubens would have been told to stick behind JB and keep Massa and Vettel at bay at the start. Who has the logic problem? Nice try.
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Old May 11, 2009 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by matrix,May 11 2009, 02:58 PM
Yes, once on the harder tires, FM times dropped off. Before that FM was faster than MW for 24 of 43 laps - used your lap times to figure that out.

This is where I am getting the Ferrari have closed the gap quite a bit and are basically on RBR's lap time now.
FM is being held back by Kimi....there is no question. With bans on in-season testing, the drivers are key in development even more so than ever before. The Ice Cream Man would rather have some Hagen Das chocolate than do what is necessary. You are right...Ferrari did catch up....fast. Who knows where they'd be if the Ice Cream Man liked rocky road.
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Old May 11, 2009 | 01:25 PM
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There was on team orders. Ruben's pace was just not the pace he needed and what was predicted on his 3 stop strategy. It's as simple as that.
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Old May 11, 2009 | 02:12 PM
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Pretty good race summary video.

http://axisofoversteer.blogspot.com/...osen-ones.html
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Old May 11, 2009 | 05:02 PM
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funny vid. that really did bring the 2hours of racing into just over 4 min. lol. good stuff.
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Old May 11, 2009 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by S2k007,May 11 2009, 04:25 PM
There was on team orders. Ruben's pace was just not the pace he needed and what was predicted on his 3 stop strategy. It's as simple as that.
Then if RB knew Ruben's pace was not quick enough, why didn't RB switch Ruben to a 2 stop strategy also?
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Old May 12, 2009 | 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by matrix,May 11 2009, 07:07 PM
Then if RB knew Ruben's pace was not quick enough, why didn't RB switch Ruben to a 2 stop strategy also?
Brawn didn't know yet. Ruben didn't slow down significantly until he switched to the hard tires, and at that point 2/3rd of the race was over already. Just look at his lap times after lap 50, when he pitted for hards. They go from 23's to 24's and 25's. That's when he really lost the race.

I don't think Ruben took orders, not knowingly anyway (but I somehow doubt Brawn predicted that Ruben would start sucking major ass at lap 50+). He seemed pretty genuinely mad at the end of the race, blaming everything except himself, unless you think in addition to being a pro f1 driver, he's also a contender for an oscar. He even made it clear in a post-Spain interview that he will ignore team orders from here on out if he thinks he's being sidelined.
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