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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 04:14 AM
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Default Lots of 10 position penalties for Mayaysia

Here are two drivers and I have to go check, but something is going on with GF because of his Renaults failure, in addition I get the weird feeling I'm missing one...

[QUOTE]MASSA, DC GET GRID PENALTIES
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Felipe Massa and David Coulthard have both incurred 10-place grid penalties as a result of engine changes in the run-up to this weekend
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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 04:23 AM
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Oh yea, I read this but have yet to see anymore info...

McLaren's Juan Pablo Montoya is likely to use a new engine too, therefore the Colombian will also have to drop ten places down his qualifying position.

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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 04:31 AM
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This is one I really wondered about, because it was not the engine per say that failed, but the supporting hydrolic system. Sounds like the rules allow for this and the team is allowed to take their 10-position penalty and use a new engine.

Giancarlo Fisichella will have the advantage of a new Renault V8 engine for this weekend's Malaysian Grand Prix after retiring from last week's race in Bahrain. The Italian lost 50bhp by a software problem on his engine before eventually calling it a day with a hydraulic problem.

"It is important to say the problem was not with the engine itself, rather with a peripheral component that led to a problem with how the engine was operating," he added. "As the rules allow following retirement, Giancarlo will use a fresh engine in Bahrain."

As a result, Fisichella have a brand new engine at this weekend's Malaysian Grand Prix, and with temperatures expected to be amongst the highest witnessed this season, the Italian will have a clear advantage over his rivals.

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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 04:34 AM
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Do you support the one engine for 2 races rule?
Do you think the 10-position setback is ok, too much, too little?
What other thoughts, any?
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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 04:42 AM
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I hate the rule. I think it should be like the old days or at the very least, 1 engine for 1 race weekend! It's stupid to have one race impacted by another because of a mechanical failure!
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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 04:44 AM
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I support the rule and I'm thinking that 10 spots is a pretty harsh but fair penalty.

For everyone except KR.
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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 06:21 AM
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in general, i don't understand the reasoning behind SO many rules in the first place....it's annoying.

they got a rule for every god damn thing you could think of.....

they should just go back to race what you brung....and be done with it.

so, MS could have the best chassis/car, the most skill, and not win, because he has the burden of running a previously raced motor....how is that sport?

or is the FIA only going for the ILLUSION of sport?

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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 06:42 AM
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the penalty on dc is just wrong. he crossed the finish line and the engine lets go on the cool down lap. fisi droped out with an electrical fuel/throttle problem and can change engine with no penalty, same for messa, he worked his engine to hard,more bs. get rid of the rule. how much money do you think has been saved these past seasons due to this bs?
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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 06:45 AM
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I myself do not like the rule. I understand the rule came to life because it was a way to reduce costs as in the need to make fewer engines. However, I don't see much inteligent thought going into all these rules because as my 1 Billion Euro story shows, there seems to be very little sincerity behind this whole 'need to reduce costs' crap. I believe the 'need to reduce costs' is a smoke screen for some other agenda.

If one considers the wasted $1,191,038,748.47, it would seem just a small portion of that would be needed for the teams to make enough engines so the drivers could have a fresh one for each race.

As Simon always points out, the FIA has F1 in a state of self destruction and this blow an engine go back 10-places is to me just another example it.
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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Triple-H,Mar 16 2006, 11:45 AM
I myself do not like the rule. I understand the rule came to life because it was a way to reduce costs as in the need to make fewer engines. However, I don't see much inteligent thought going into all these rules because as my 1 Billion Euro story shows, there seems to be very little sincerity behind this whole 'need to reduce costs' crap. I believe the 'need to reduce costs' is a smoke screen for some other agenda.

If one considers the wasted $1,191,038,748.47, it would seem just a small portion of that would be needed for the teams to make enough engines so the drivers could have a fresh one for each race.

As Simon always points out, the FIA has F1 in a state of self destruction and this blow an engine go back 10-places is to me just another example it.
and here's the irony....

so, before the rule, they could change engines willy-nilly...fine. but it costs money to stock X number of engines...still fine.

now they implement a 2-race rule....do you think there were no major R&D dollars invested to make the engines last 2 races????

of course there were....

so again, where in the name of the baby krishna are they saving money?????
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