New points system set to be adopted for 2010
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New points system set to be adopted for 2010
The top ten finishers in a Grand Prix will score points next season under a new system expected to be ratified by the FIA World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) on Friday. The proposed amendment, put forward due to the expanded grid of 13 teams for 2010, was agreed by the F1 Commission on Thursday after it met for the first time in its new structure since the signing of the 2009 Concorde Agreement.
Under the new system, the race winner will take 25 points, with 20 and 15 being awarded for second and third places respectively. The next seven finishers will score 10, 8, 6, 5, 3, 2 and 1 point respectively. It will replace the current structure of the top eight drivers scoring 10, 8, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 and 1 point respectively.
The F1 Commission also agreed the Brawn team will be allowed to change their chassis name to Mercedes. The team will continue to receive payments based on their historical performance. This has been granted on a one-off exceptional basis due to Mercedes-Benz’s long-term involvement and commitment to F1 racing.
The Commission also proposed a number of further amendments to the sporting and technical regulations, which will again be put to the WMSC for final approval on Friday morning. They include:
- A strong mandate has been given to the Sporting Working Group, a sub-committee of the F1 Commission made up of the FIA and F1 teams, to develop detailed proposals to improve the show. These will take effect from the 2010 championship.
- The FIA and FOM will further collaborate to enhance the communication and promotion of the championship to the media and its worldwide fanbase.
Thursday’s meeting was chaired by Commission President Bernie Ecclestone with FIA President Jean Todt in attendance. The F1 Commission is made up of key championship stakeholders from F1 teams, promoters, suppliers and sponsors. Its next meeting will be held on March 10 in Bahrain.
Under the new system, the race winner will take 25 points, with 20 and 15 being awarded for second and third places respectively. The next seven finishers will score 10, 8, 6, 5, 3, 2 and 1 point respectively. It will replace the current structure of the top eight drivers scoring 10, 8, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 and 1 point respectively.
The F1 Commission also agreed the Brawn team will be allowed to change their chassis name to Mercedes. The team will continue to receive payments based on their historical performance. This has been granted on a one-off exceptional basis due to Mercedes-Benz’s long-term involvement and commitment to F1 racing.
The Commission also proposed a number of further amendments to the sporting and technical regulations, which will again be put to the WMSC for final approval on Friday morning. They include:
- A strong mandate has been given to the Sporting Working Group, a sub-committee of the F1 Commission made up of the FIA and F1 teams, to develop detailed proposals to improve the show. These will take effect from the 2010 championship.
- The FIA and FOM will further collaborate to enhance the communication and promotion of the championship to the media and its worldwide fanbase.
Thursday’s meeting was chaired by Commission President Bernie Ecclestone with FIA President Jean Todt in attendance. The F1 Commission is made up of key championship stakeholders from F1 teams, promoters, suppliers and sponsors. Its next meeting will be held on March 10 in Bahrain.
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I would have liked first to be rewarded a bit more...but I think this is a move in the right direction.
If check the ratios, first, second and third have the same gap...but then 4th down is rewarded less. So at least we're setting the podium apart from the field more than previously.
If check the ratios, first, second and third have the same gap...but then 4th down is rewarded less. So at least we're setting the podium apart from the field more than previously.
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I think this is a mistake. It seems to me that F1 makes changes every year just to make changes. The points systems seems to be the only thing that has been consistant and actually worked the past few years.
Change for change sake isn't always a good thing.
Change for change sake isn't always a good thing.
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^^^^ but i think the change is justified by the fact that 26 cars will be challanging for each race. making the top 10 instead of the top 8 get points makes more sence.
i'll take time to get used to the new points system but i think its a step in the right direction. i actually like the other changes for 2010 too, the no refueling and the new tire sizes.
i'll take time to get used to the new points system but i think its a step in the right direction. i actually like the other changes for 2010 too, the no refueling and the new tire sizes.
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Why a 1-point gap between 6th and 7th, then a 2-point gap between 7th and 8th? That makes zero sense. Like any FIA/F1 rules change, inscrutible and slightly retarded.
Also, why the same gap between 1-2, 2-3, and 3-4? Winning should be worth more over 2nd than 2nd is worth over 3rd, IMO.
I also don't see the value in limiting points to the top 10, though this is an improvement over only the top 8, or top 6 previously. The more cars on track that are actually RACING for something, the better.
Would have preferred something like: 20, 15, 12, 10, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
Hell, with all the stuff they copied from them but shouldn't have, why not copy the old CART/IndyCar scoring? 20, 16, 14, 12, 10, 8, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, plus a point for pole and a point for laps led (or perhaps fastest lap)?
Also, why the same gap between 1-2, 2-3, and 3-4? Winning should be worth more over 2nd than 2nd is worth over 3rd, IMO.
I also don't see the value in limiting points to the top 10, though this is an improvement over only the top 8, or top 6 previously. The more cars on track that are actually RACING for something, the better.
Would have preferred something like: 20, 15, 12, 10, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
Hell, with all the stuff they copied from them but shouldn't have, why not copy the old CART/IndyCar scoring? 20, 16, 14, 12, 10, 8, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, plus a point for pole and a point for laps led (or perhaps fastest lap)?
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Originally Posted by ZDan,Dec 12 2009, 05:14 AM
Would have preferred something like: 20, 15, 12, 10, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
Hell, with all the stuff they copied from them but shouldn't have, why not copy the old CART/IndyCar scoring? 20, 16, 14, 12, 10, 8, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, plus a point for pole and a point for laps led (or perhaps fastest lap)?
Hell, with all the stuff they copied from them but shouldn't have, why not copy the old CART/IndyCar scoring? 20, 16, 14, 12, 10, 8, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, plus a point for pole and a point for laps led (or perhaps fastest lap)?
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The previous two changes to the Formula 1 points scoring system were implemented to alter the weighting between each position. The new-for-1991 system increased the winner's score from 9 to 10, then the 2003 tweak increased the prize for second place from 6 to 8, and extended to eighth place.
The latest change, confirmed by the FIA World Motor Sport Council today, although it seems to be the most dramatic in the sport's history, is not intended to - and will not - significantly alter the outcome of a championship.
Instead, it is simply to further increase the number of scoring cars from eight to 10 in accordance with the grid being boosted to 26 cars. In essence, it is just to make the smaller teams more likely to score and to give them something to fight for.
The higher scores will punish retirements more heavily, but in turn a driver can recover more quickly with a greater number of points on offer for a win or podium finish.
Under the 2010 system, the result of this year's championship would have been exactly the same. Jenson Button would have beaten Sebastian Vettel (243 points to 203), with Rubens Barrichello third (187), Mark Webber fourth (178), Lewis Hamilton fifth (123), Kimi Raikkonen sixth (119), etc.
The close finishes of 2007 and 2008 would have retained the same order under the new system, with the following scores:
2008
Lewis Hamilton 240
Felipe Massa 239
2007
Kimi Raikkonen 271
Lewis Hamilton 270
Fernando Alonso 268
The close finish of 2003 would also have produced the same result, with Michael Schumacher beating Raikkonen 225 to 221.
In fact, you'd have to go back to 1999 to find the first change of place. Under the 2010 system, Eddie Irvine would have beaten Mika Hakkinen to the title 230 to 218. But Irvine would also have won that title under the 2003-2009 system.
The only major impact next season's system will have is the effect the 2.5x increase to the available points has on the statistical history of F1.
For example, in their careers Ayrton Senna scored 614 points, Nigel Mansell 482 and Jackie Stewart 360. A rookie driver now could pass all three in three seasons. Even Schumacher's 1369 wouldn't take all that much catching, which makes rather a mess of history for those that value the all-time stats.
But equally, you could already have argued that the statistics are skewed by the increase from 9 to 10 for a win, from six to eight cars scoring, by the varying amount of dropped scores between 1967 and 1990, and by the number of races in a season - from seven in 1950 to 19 in 2005.
The latest change, confirmed by the FIA World Motor Sport Council today, although it seems to be the most dramatic in the sport's history, is not intended to - and will not - significantly alter the outcome of a championship.
Instead, it is simply to further increase the number of scoring cars from eight to 10 in accordance with the grid being boosted to 26 cars. In essence, it is just to make the smaller teams more likely to score and to give them something to fight for.
The higher scores will punish retirements more heavily, but in turn a driver can recover more quickly with a greater number of points on offer for a win or podium finish.
Under the 2010 system, the result of this year's championship would have been exactly the same. Jenson Button would have beaten Sebastian Vettel (243 points to 203), with Rubens Barrichello third (187), Mark Webber fourth (178), Lewis Hamilton fifth (123), Kimi Raikkonen sixth (119), etc.
The close finishes of 2007 and 2008 would have retained the same order under the new system, with the following scores:
2008
Lewis Hamilton 240
Felipe Massa 239
2007
Kimi Raikkonen 271
Lewis Hamilton 270
Fernando Alonso 268
The close finish of 2003 would also have produced the same result, with Michael Schumacher beating Raikkonen 225 to 221.
In fact, you'd have to go back to 1999 to find the first change of place. Under the 2010 system, Eddie Irvine would have beaten Mika Hakkinen to the title 230 to 218. But Irvine would also have won that title under the 2003-2009 system.
The only major impact next season's system will have is the effect the 2.5x increase to the available points has on the statistical history of F1.
For example, in their careers Ayrton Senna scored 614 points, Nigel Mansell 482 and Jackie Stewart 360. A rookie driver now could pass all three in three seasons. Even Schumacher's 1369 wouldn't take all that much catching, which makes rather a mess of history for those that value the all-time stats.
But equally, you could already have argued that the statistics are skewed by the increase from 9 to 10 for a win, from six to eight cars scoring, by the varying amount of dropped scores between 1967 and 1990, and by the number of races in a season - from seven in 1950 to 19 in 2005.