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what??? BMW's fault?
look at the speed of all the cars coming through that corner after the pace car crashed... same speed as the BMW.
safety car didn't even blend in, it went straight onto the racing line behind a blind corner!
if you see in the video, NO safety car sign at the top of the screen. It was local yellow only.
"The decision was taken to throw the safety car while the debris from the three incidents was cleared, but the safety car appeared on the track beyond the exit of the pitlane before the warning boards had been displayed on the pit straight."
... so the safety car driver took it upon himself to declare a safety car period.
look at the speed of all the cars coming through that corner after the pace car crashed... same speed as the BMW.
safety car didn't even blend in, it went straight onto the racing line behind a blind corner!
if you see in the video, NO safety car sign at the top of the screen. It was local yellow only.
"The decision was taken to throw the safety car while the debris from the three incidents was cleared, but the safety car appeared on the track beyond the exit of the pitlane before the warning boards had been displayed on the pit straight."
... so the safety car driver took it upon himself to declare a safety car period.
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Originally Posted by Birel186,May 27 2009, 12:31 PM
what??? BMW's fault?
look at the speed of all the cars coming through that corner after the pace car crashed... same speed as the BMW.
safety car didn't even blend in, it went straight onto the racing line behind a blind corner!
if you see in the video, NO safety car sign at the top of the screen. It was local yellow only.
"The decision was taken to throw the safety car while the debris from the three incidents was cleared, but the safety car appeared on the track beyond the exit of the pitlane before the warning boards had been displayed on the pit straight."
... so the safety car driver took it upon himself to declare a safety car period.
look at the speed of all the cars coming through that corner after the pace car crashed... same speed as the BMW.
safety car didn't even blend in, it went straight onto the racing line behind a blind corner!
if you see in the video, NO safety car sign at the top of the screen. It was local yellow only.
"The decision was taken to throw the safety car while the debris from the three incidents was cleared, but the safety car appeared on the track beyond the exit of the pitlane before the warning boards had been displayed on the pit straight."
... so the safety car driver took it upon himself to declare a safety car period.
So yeah, it's totally the BMW driver's fault. Why shouldn't he slow down? Would any of those other cars have passed him? Under a full-course yellow?
He was trying to beat the safety car, and he screwed up. Poor judgement, and it cost him a DNF that he totally deserved. But worse, it imperiled the driver(s) of the safety car.
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beat the safety car? this isn't nascar.
it's the second lap, theres no point in 'beating the safety car'. he's not trying to regain a lap.
if its a local yellow you slow down you don't come to a crawl because you expect the safety car to be in the middle of the road. And the accident for the yellow flags seems like it was at turn 3 or 4. He's passing the front straight, hasn't even got to turn 1. And when there is an accident on track local yellow or w/e the team would go on the radio and tell the driver, yellow flag car stopped on track at turn X... not, local yellow at turn 3, and be ready for a retard to wander onto the middle of the track. surprise!
Remeber, it wasn't a full course caution. Safety car wasn't suppose to be deployed, the safety car driver decided upon himself to declare a safety car period, not race control. And i'll reiterate again, all the drivers behind were traveling at the same rate of speed. So i guess all the race car drivers would be at fault in this situation, not the dumb safety car driver. Only reason it wasn't a 10 car pile up was because there was a gap between the car that crashed and the others following.
it's the second lap, theres no point in 'beating the safety car'. he's not trying to regain a lap.
if its a local yellow you slow down you don't come to a crawl because you expect the safety car to be in the middle of the road. And the accident for the yellow flags seems like it was at turn 3 or 4. He's passing the front straight, hasn't even got to turn 1. And when there is an accident on track local yellow or w/e the team would go on the radio and tell the driver, yellow flag car stopped on track at turn X... not, local yellow at turn 3, and be ready for a retard to wander onto the middle of the track. surprise!
Remeber, it wasn't a full course caution. Safety car wasn't suppose to be deployed, the safety car driver decided upon himself to declare a safety car period, not race control. And i'll reiterate again, all the drivers behind were traveling at the same rate of speed. So i guess all the race car drivers would be at fault in this situation, not the dumb safety car driver. Only reason it wasn't a 10 car pile up was because there was a gap between the car that crashed and the others following.
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Originally Posted by Birel186,May 27 2009, 03:26 PM
Remeber, it wasn't a full course caution.
Sorry, but no matter what the safety car did, IMO there is no excuse for crashing under a waving yellow. None. That's what the waving yellow is for.
The safety car did seem to jump out there into the racing line, but under yellow the drivers are supposed to be woahed down enough to be in control of the car. I still say it's the BMW driver's responsibility.
But I'm not an FIA steward. God only knows who they will blame.
And none of those other drivers hit the safety car. The BMW driver should not have either.
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it was under yellow and BMW should have been under control...
but I see people pull that same safety car stunt on the highway coming in from the breakdown lane.
hmmm, you have a half mile of unobstructed straightaway in the breakdown lane in front of you, but you take a hard left from teh braekdown lane to pull infront of highway speed traffic..... 
WHY in gods name didn't the safety car driver go out the pits normally and collect the cars up?
but I see people pull that same safety car stunt on the highway coming in from the breakdown lane.
hmmm, you have a half mile of unobstructed straightaway in the breakdown lane in front of you, but you take a hard left from teh braekdown lane to pull infront of highway speed traffic..... WHY in gods name didn't the safety car driver go out the pits normally and collect the cars up?
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I know different series have different signals for cautions and such... does anyone know what the WTCC rules are? There were multiple stations waving yellow in that video, but I'd imagine they'd also notify of a safety car as well. For example, in the Rolex Series races a full course caution (and thus a safety car) is signaled by a standing double yellow flag.
If that was a full-course caution, both drivers need to share the blame. The BMW for not being in a position to respond, and the safety car driver for sticking the car out into the middle of the track. Either one changing their behavior would have prevented that crash.
If it wasn't a full-course caution, fire the safety car driver
If that was a full-course caution, both drivers need to share the blame. The BMW for not being in a position to respond, and the safety car driver for sticking the car out into the middle of the track. Either one changing their behavior would have prevented that crash.
If it wasn't a full-course caution, fire the safety car driver
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