Awhit's Lessons Learned BB AP2 Build
 

Here we are again. A few years ago I purchased an AP1 and went way off the rails trying to build it up. Things progressed like most plans subject to poor discipline - I woke up one morning realizing I was trying to achieve something impossible and I sold the car and its parts.


Fast forward to now and I’ve been around the block in too many cars over too short of a period trying to figure out what I truly want. The good news is that trying different things coupled with getting older and starting a family gave me perspective and context that I previously lacked. That context and perspective returned me to where I started, but now with a much better (or so I tell myself) idea of what I actually want to achieve. Enter this 2004 BB AP2, purchased from a long-time friend and forum member (and already donning a few parts I snagged ahead of the acquisition).



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This time I’m setting out to keep my S more subtle, more enjoyable to drive in the shrinking number of chances that present themselves and less about the parts than it is about the S2000 experience as a whole….. I’ll still find SOME JDM bling to put on it though.

Will I actually keep and drive this one? And how will time judge my habit of journaling to myself on a dying medium? I guess we'll find out.

I knew you'd be back. I want those TEs But I don't want to get a rid of my CEs.....pain

Welcome back.

enjoy shouting into the void that is build threads in 2023

Haha you were absolutely right. I saw in your thread that I think you moved on from the Nitrons - hopefully not because they did anything bad to you!

I'm really happy with how they turned out. When they redid the TE molds for the Saga/Sonic some of the sizes and faces just didn't look right. These present very well in my eyes, almost having that OG TE vibe now that you can get a proper silver color.

It's too bad. Reading build threads was one of the best ways for me to learn more about a car and to get into modifying it. Plus it's just cool to see how people attack things differently. Maybe one day things will turn back around.

Wheels, tires, bbk, coilovers, and oem hardtop.

Looks ready and done to just keep driving with a sprinkling of track days here and there. Anything after what I can visually see is venturing back to the slippery slope. LOL.

Good luck and welcome back.

stoked to see you back.

Thanks! It's definitely ready to be enjoyed as is....but I've got to do a few things as long as I stay on script, right?? By your definition I'll be half-on, half-off the slope during this build LOL

To really kick things off, we’ve got to talk about the car itself. The last time I was in an S2000, I purchased a clean but high (165k) mile AP1. The miles on that car were a partial contributor to me just wanting to change everything, so this time I set out knowing I wanted an S that was a little fresher and had some solid mods on it right off the bat. No-brainer type mods that I wouldn’t have to repurchase but also would still allow me to add my own touch to the car.

It was looking daunting trying to find a truly clean and fresh feeling S2000 since almost all of these cars have a story at this point. But in a stroke of luck, a good friend mentioned he was ready to move on from his after a long ownership. I took it as a sign and picked up this Berlina Black AP2.

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Vitals on the car are:

• 2004 AP2
• 2 owners before me
• All VINs/OG paint
• Just under 24k miles

Parts on the car when I picked it up:

• OEM BB hardtop
• Ohlins DFVs + 12k/11k springs
• Koyo radiator
• Toda torquie-kun header
• Catted test pipe
• Stoptech trophy bbk
• ARP extended studs w/ new OEM bearings
• Origin Fab UCA bushings + Kingpin spherical compliance bearings
• Some other small things

My friend had a set of black wheels that had to go in favor of these TEs before I picked up the car. I’m SO happy Rays has a decent silver in the catalog again and as a result I picked up some 17x9.5 +49 Saga S-Pluses in Diamond Silver from Evasive with matching center caps. SO happy with how these turned out, and I paired them with some Bridgestone RE-71 RS in 255/40/17.

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Since this car is such a peach, I’ll probably have it detailed and PPF’d. It’s definitely not concours perfect but I want to be able to drive it, have it look just as good as it did when I picked it up and also reduce the effort needed to keep it clean. I’ve got some parts I want to pick up and add as well (for example the OEM exhaust is CRAZY quiet even with the header) that will make the driving experience/overall feel of the car more what I want. All that can come in time though…but….like not too much time. Ha.

Welcome back!

It's the absolute worst.

Welcome back! You sell off the other car?

Yes, other car is gone. Felt good to check the box with it but I enjoyed ownership less than I expected.

That + a well timed dragon trip helped bring me back to an S2000 :)

I'm excited to see what you do to this car because I definitely liked what you did to your white S2000 and EVO.

One of my favorite modifications for any fun car is putting a different seat in. The right seat can both do a great job of setting the tone when you get into a car and can make you feel more connected with the drive more than just about any other part.

In the past I’ve been able to own a selection of Brides and Recaros, and I’ve almost universally found the Recaros more comfortable. I also think the Recaro fabrics and fit/finish tend to be nicer than Brides.

My go-to has been the Recaro RS-G with one of the various covering options. It fits me perfectly, but if I have to levy one complaint it’s that the bolsters are fairly tame. It’s clear that Recaro wanted to keep the thigh bolsters conservative in order to make it a better and more comfortable street seat. The RS-G is still my favorite seat but I miss the more aggressive bolstering that a Bride Zeta or Zieg has.

Given all of this - I decided to pick up something more aggressive this time around.

Enter the Recaro RMS 2600a:

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This seat is no doubt a little extreme with its vibe, but man does it look good. It also fits a little looser than an RS-G so I needed to add some of the optional thicker padding to get it where I wanted. Now that it’s adjusted it is fantastic. The sense of occasion is top notch when getting in, and the bolstering and firm padding means you feel much more of what the car is doing. The head protection also does not get in the way when looking over your shoulder to change lanes. The seat is also noticeably more rigid compared to anything (FRP shell Recaro, FRP and Aramid shell Bride) I’ve sat in before.

A couple of notes on the install - I used the Recaro Japan base + sliders with Recaro’s universal RMS side mounts. Everything fits but the seat buckle location is not as easy to access as I’d like. You also really need a quick release or flip hub with this seat to get in/out easily. I’m not big at all and it’s a little taxing.


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Luckily I have a steering wheel setup on the way and the S2000-specific RMS rails in my garage to address those 2 points. I’ll update when they go in.

AWESOME! Good to see you're back again. Your first build thread was always a place of inspiration for me.

Thanks, especially coming from someone with such a nice S. Yours is one of the cleanest out there for sure.

"Lessons learned" who tf you trying to fool bb

Maybe my wife, maybe Mark. LOL

I loved your interior in the AP1. Really made me want to get a RS-G. Can’t wait to see how this turns out.

It’s going to be almost the same, just with an RMS haha. I even bought my SR-7F back since it was the ideal passenger seat for my wife.

Do SR7s sits as high as SR4s or lower? OEM seat already sits high...

I have never sat in an SR4 inside of an S2000 so cannot 100% answer your question. I have seen them and they for sure look goofier than the SR-7, but I don’t know what base/sliders the ones I saw were on.

The top of the SR-7 headrest is BARELY above the factory roll hoops but I think the SR-7 is still slightly lower than the OE seats when mounted in a Recaro Japan base and slider.

Thanks man. Hard to screw up a, essentially, stock car that never sees the road lol. ;)

logged in to say this car is super hot fire, glad people are still doing build threads

:thumbup:

A couple of updates to add.

A few weeks ago, I added to the interior:

- Spoon Momo Monte Carlo
- Works Bell Rapfix GTC
- Works Bell short hub
- Works Bell 20mm spacer
- Spoon shift knob

With these added the sense of occasion has been upped further. Even more important is that I can enter the car a lot more easily with the tilt hub. You definitely need one of these or a more traditional quick release with the RMS.

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The only challenge is that the 20mm spacer (I had a 20, 15 and 10 lying around) is not quite enough to clear the gauge hood and fully tilt the wheel. This is annoying and means I’m not getting the full ease of entry benefit from the GTC.

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To solve this I have a 25mm and 30mm spacer on order. Hopefully 5-10mm does not make a huge difference with how close the wheel feels as it’s about perfect with how I sit as is. If there’s too much compromise I may need to get a regular Rapfix which is less appealing to me than the GTC.With regards to the Spoon shift knob - underrated part for this car IMO. It’s nice and small, the right type of shape and the light weight works better with the S2000 vs. a heavyweight knob. Plus it’s reasonably priced for something from Spoon.

Also this weekend, I replaced the crazy quiet stock exhaust with something that still is more gentleman-spec — an HKS SSM. I decided early on that with the AP2 rear bumper I wanted to stay with a dual exhaust, and that I also wanted to keep the volume reasonable while cruising. I also wanted to keep the diameter 60mm to maximize lower end torque/response compared to a 70mm+ exhaust.
I was between the R1 Titan (Amuse) Euro dual, ASM dual and the HKS SSM. I ruled out the Amuse early since I’ve had a few and wanted to try something different. The ASM and HKS SSM are both cool because they use packing-less rear mufflers which gives them a unique, sort of hollow rasp on video and come with the promise of very little drone while not sounding too muted at WOT. I ended up going with the HKS because I really do not like the ASM tips, especially on an AP2 bumper, and it’s like essentially twice the price and that extra $$ was not worth it for me.

After unboxing the HKS, I’d say it probably gives away very little vs the ASM as well. Take a look but I was very happy.
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When installing the exhaust I also paired it with an RF Yamamoto 60mm test pipe to replace my HFC test pipe. I did this because I anticipated I’d want the extra volume of the RFY test pipe. Installation was straightforward and the fit was solid. I think there may be a touch of adjustment needed to have the tips stick out the same distance from the bumper (it’s almost perfect now) but this fit was achieved with basically 0 fiddling.


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Once I started up the car I was surprised….even with the test pipe this thing is quiet at low RPM. You can tell the car has an exhaust because there’s a slight boomy resonance when the car is idling high, but once it settles it’s almost exactly like OEM. The same goes for cruising, at ~70mph and anywhere in the 3k-3.5k range there is absolutely 0 drone. My 60mm and 70mm Amuse Euro S exhausts had noticeable drone with a test pipe and this exhaust has NONE. Honestly it was quite a bit quieter than I thought.Right off the bat I was a little worried since revving the car at a standstill sounded pretty raspy…not what I was looking for and I was already assuming the HFC would need to go back on. After driving it and listening to the exhaust with some proper load it is far better! It definitely wakes up at high RPM but is still very tolerable even with the test pipe. It has a distinct scream that is a good bit different than other exhausts out there that all start to blend together a little bit. I still need to see what it sounds like from outside the car but so far I am very happy with the sound quality and how the SSM ranges from almost silent to noticeable but not overbearing depending on how it is being driven.

Apparently the HKS SSM system is designed to be used all together. The header, their HFC, and the exhaust. I've never heard the complete set up together and I really want to know how it sounds.

Do it so I don't have to.

How did you narrow in on RF Yamamoto out of all the test pipes available?

JDM rizz; a pipe is a pipe lol

My birthday is coming up, if an HKS header lands at my door I'll do the lord's work and throw it on for you bb

I wanted a 60mm test pipe, it has an extra bung on it in addition to the secondary O2 port, and I already had a package coming from Japan so I threw it in. Nothing that special honestly. It's nice but not as nice as a Toda test pipe. Was comparable in price to your average US options though.

I'm usually on the "an exhaust is more than a pipe" side of the fence, but for a test pipe you nailed it haha

Interesting. Kind of tired of the Milltek on my S2000, too much low end drone. I don't drive the car much because of it and have been contemplating getting a new exhaust. Where did you get your HKS SSM through? Yen rate is looking good through the vendors like RHD Japan / Blackhawk Japan but haven't had personal experience with them yet.

The SSM would probably make you a lot happier. There’s no real drone until you get to around 4k on the highway and even then it is very contained. Very close to a stock exhaust in that regard. Also while driving at low rpm it is not boomy. Crisp and quiet.

I have had lots of success with rhdjapan and wouldn’t hesitate to order through them!

Hey, you have my support on that; I got the Toda 60-70mm test pipe for that very reason lmao, wasn't trying to be disrespectful.

No disrespect taken at all, I’m 100% agreeing with you in this case!

Small update, installed the official Recaro RMS Base frame and side mounts for the S2k, in place of my generic Recaro bottom mount base + Generic RMS side mounts. The differences are subtle but there.

- You sit more centered with the wheel, as previously I was offset slightly to the left. You also achieve this with a small amount of spacers. To get things right before there were almost 20mm per side of spacers needed and even then it needed work. This is thanks to both the base and side mounts being unique compared to the other S2k offerings Recaro JP has.

- You can sit higher if you want. Good for me since I’m short, and the top position is now roughly the same as the top position in the other Recaro JP ultra low setups with an RS-G.

- Accessing the buckle is very slightly easier, and the buckle is now attached to the side mount directly just like it is in the other Recaro JP side mount combinations. I would still not consider it a pleasure to reach the buckle with an RMS. Lol.

Tl;Dr: The RMS/S2k specific setup is better overall but the previous setup wasn’t too bad bad to start with. Not a must do.


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They don't have the best rep, but Ballade sells a buckle extender that works perfectly.

Love the seat and build thus far. Great choice of parts.

Its really not that bad, at least once you do it a couple of times. You can fit your entire hand between the seat and console to secure the belt so once you do it a couple of times you get used to it.

To your point I may still get an extender, although Ballade will never get a dime from me.

Thanks for the kind words on the parts as well!

Ballade buys out and resells the extender from 4Extender.com. Stop supporting that trash company and go direct.

I have been testing some parts for the past month or so. These are a prototype set of Origin Fabrication billet aluminum front UCAs.

The arms have a lot of the typical pros of something like an Ikeya formula arm, but to adjust your wheel placement and camber the arms use shims. This of course means you can quickly change your setup by adding or removing shims. Being aluminum the arms are also unfathomably light.

Like most things from Origin, these are entirely made in the US and all bearings are from Minebea. Nothing cheap and shitty to save a buck.

Ask me all the questions you want about these and I’ll be happy to answer. They are pretty cool and you can get excellent fitment without an offset bushing.

The fitment pic shows -2.7* F camber with these arms on a 9.5 +49 with a 255/40. We got 7* of caster with this spec as well. My car is about 1” lower than oem.

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^^^ Ummmm. Wow!!! It's essentially like how the FLCA on the Porsche GT3s (pre-992) works.

btw. this is beginning to look like you didn't learn any lessons. hahahahaha

I wish those were out when I bought my Ikeya Formula

beautiful, I want these, have a link?

They’re not for sale yet. I’m testing them for Origin right now but they’ll likely be available later this year.

Yes, that was one of the inspiration points for these arms but there are a lot of other Motorsport applications that do something similar.

On the lessons learned front, I am just testing these for Origin so maybe I get a pass?? I couldn’t say no to that right? LOL.

They will be out later this year or early next so maybe think about selling? Hahaha

How are you planning on testing these?

I am not going to be doing anything earth shattering. Just have been testing alignment possibilities, fitment, shim settings and putting some mileage on them to verify the basics of how these were designed. This is the first machined set, so just making sure the most basic calculations and assumptions were correct.

Wow those look amazing. I just bought brand new OEM arms but I still may have my eyes on these in the future.

Spent the last weekend with some friends driving, which was the first time I have really gotten to drive this thing somewhat fast. The weather held out great and the dragon was not too crowded which made a a great combination. The last time I was at the dragon I was driving a rented ND Miata as I was considering buying one. After driving the blue CR in the first picture I decided to go S2k and my choice was reaffirmed over the weekend. The engine alone makes the experience a lot more fun for me.

The AP2 as it is now is well is a really good mix of being a committed driver’s car with a strong sense of occasion (the seat, wheel/tire setup, brakes and suspension) while still being something I don’t hate on the hours long drive up and back (not too flashy, quiet exhaust, no expensive FRP parts waiting to get smacked by another car or rock). This is great for what I want because some of my last cars I thought captured too many eyeballs or became a real chore to get to and from the fun which made me want to drive them less and also made you focus on the wrong things during the fun parts.

Of course it’s not all perfect yet! The HKS SSM sounds great under load but is actually a little louder than I want at WOT. Plus it has a frankly pretty nasty zing/rasp when you let off the gas above 4k. I expect this problem is amplified thanks to the thin wall stainless of my Toda header vs the double wall OEM unit. I’m going to put an HFC back on in an attempt to get the tone just right.

This car also has the classic AP2 problem of a slippy clutch when shifting fast at redline. The AP1 slave on it probably makes it a little worse. You can mitigate the slip by pacing yourself but this really seems to counter the sharp, snappy, tactile feel every other part of the car has. Not looking forward to pulling the clutch but this is on the must improve list for now.

The Origin UCAs also performed flawlessly after being beaten through some particularly rough roads so that is another good sign.

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I need those UCAs :surprised: ... beautiful car, man. Keep up the good work :thumbup:

Thanks so much. Origin is about ready to finalize the production design so I'd expect them to show up on their site and be ready for sale in the next ~2 months. I'll for sure be trading my pre-pro set in for another set :) For someone like me the fitment improvements are worth it alone.

Do you think the arms could potentially help with wheel barrel clearance?

Barrel clearance with respect to what? Fitment wise the arms allow you to pull the wheel in further vs. an OEM arm with an offset bushing, or to just generally get the fitment exactly where you want it for your camber specs with the shims. But all of that is more about top of the tire vs. fender than it is anything with the barrel.

The Ikeya Formula arms are wider than stock so you can run into clearance issues, like me with 17x10+44. They clear the stock arms but will rub the Ikeya Formula arms at full lock. I think that is what he is referring to

Ah, I see. The Origin arms are a few mm wider than the OEM arms very close to where they mount to the body.

That plus the very wide range of adjustability means that if you’re trying to pull the tire in a bunch you can definitely pull it in to the point the wheel can hit the UCA.

On the flip side you can add shims at the arm, and use the LCA adjustment to pull the wheel out and away from the body if that’s what you want to do.

Tl;Dr a lot of combinations are possible so you have a lot of freedom - but with freedom comes the responsibility of checking your work.

Glad to hear you've been liking it and been able to enjoy it more. I am contemplating a ND Miata (as a daily to replace my BRZ) and was wondering whether it would lead to me eventually selling the S2000, having 2 roadsters in the fleet. Went on a drive today up a canyon road with a buddy with a ND2, and...nope. They occupy different spaces - the ND2 is a great daily but doesn't replace the VTEC, driver inputs, chassis response, and sense of occasion on the S2000.

Hope you find a balance you are happy with with the exhaust. I am in a similar boat, my Milltek dual drones too much for long trips.

Definitely agree with you. The ND is whimsical fun and amazing if you need a new car. The S just feels more intense and focused though. Both are great though!

I’m expecting the HFC to get things more or less exactly where I want them. We will see. I’d think the SSM will be a big improvement for you if you want to take the plunge. It drones lightly above 75mph with a test pipe but the drone is easily overcome with music or conversation. Also the gnarly rasp when you’re letting out of the throttle is completely unnoticeable in the car (with a hard top). I only heard it when I asked a friend to drive the car.

Added a few more updates to the interior. It will stay like this for a while:

ASM Momo Tuner

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ASM Leather Shift Boot:

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Honda Access S660 Ti shift knob:

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The mirror finish is so perfect there’s no way to keep the photo taker out of the reflection easily….I ended up choosing not to use the ASM Horn button and instead put an OEM Honda NSX Type S button on in its place. All of these together give exactly the aesthetic I was hoping for. Plus with a 25mm spacer after the hub, I can now tilt the wheel properly.

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More updates for the AP2 from this weekend. I purchased the car with a set of Stoptechs on it, but decided to replace these with something that I appreciate even more.

Endless Mono4 TA BBK
I chose to replace the Stoptechs with the newest Mono4 caliper from Endless. These are ordered as an option on the Mono4 kit for the S2000. Compared to the regular Mono4 these are more rigid, have stainless steel pistons, have no fluid transfer pipe on the outside and just generally look a little nicer. But you can judge that last part for yourself.
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I ordered the kit with MX72 pads and black anodized rotor hats. Like anything Endless, the finish of the parts is just excellent. When you are installing, just know that you mount the brackets in front of the knuckle instead of behind it like the instructions indicate :)

I also decided to replace the rear brakes with Endless E-slit OEM replacement rotors, MX72 pads and Endless lines.

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I've only just bedded in the brakes but will update once I get some proper miles under them.

Over the last few weeks I put a few more small parts on.

• A SuperNow oil cap - found out about these guys when I had my FD and really like their work
• BYS cooling plate - I will be keeping the stock intake box and I like this solution better than the snorkels personally
• Spoon filter - looks like an OE filter with less restrictive media to my eye
• Origin Fabrication spark plug cover - you really have to see the machine work on this to appreciate it. Excellent fitment too. Super cool part.
• Spoon rad brackets and rad cap - because this build is serious af

Onto the pictures..

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Those brakes are sweeeeet

Love the quality of parts on this build.

What cars did you go through before coming back to the S and why?

Entertaining to watch no lessons learned. LOL!!!

Why replace the stoptechs? They are the more usable option from a consumables replacement standpoint - both pads and rotors.

I would have replaced replaced the Ohlins DFVs with MCS 2-way, Penske 8300s, JRZ RS, or Ohlins TTX before replacing the ST trophy kit.

Anyway, awesome build either way. Keep it coming. Suspension next. :D

My scope here is:

• NA, keep the engine stock
• No aftermarket body panels
• Do not reach the point where I won't want to drive it to work or to run an errand here or there

I'll admit I'm on the edge, but I haven't crossed the line yet!!

The Stoptechs were "on loan" from the previous owner. I am just a big Endless fanboy and I really like having their parts on my car. While I'm planning to take this to the track and I'm sure that the Endless calipers and rotors are "better" from an ultimate performance standpoint, I put the Mono4 TAs on the car because I like how nice the parts are.

Also don't worry my suspension showed up last week. Lol. The pace of this build will be real rapid and then taper off next year.

By far my favorite current build. Amazing selection of parts.

In order after selling my AP1:
1. C6 Z06/Z07 - I drove this a good amount but I never felt it was special enough and I missed the hard edge of my previous Japanese cars. Looking back I respect this car more but am still glad I sold it.

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2. FD RX7 - This car was about as special as it got, but it's more of a third or fourth car for someone like me. Wife hated it because it smelled like you had gas poured on you if you rode in it for more than 5mins and I was always afraid it would explode even though it never did. Amazing car but I never drove it.

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3. Gen IV Viper ACR - This was a peak for me on paper as I've always loved Vipers and it combined the big displacement feel of the C6Z with the hard edge of the Japanese cars. However the attention it brought wore on me fast to the point I dreaded driving it. It was way way too fast for me as a driver to enjoy on the street and how much I liked it did not equate to how much $$ I had tied up in it. Plus it (along with the Vette) did not have the Japanese aftermarket support which is a significant part of the hobby for me.
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I'm going to assume it was the Spoon radiator brackets that really did it for you, haha

How's the fit of the BYS Cooling plate? What's the reason you went with a Cooling Plate vs Snorkel? Look or something else?

Thanks!

This post just reminded me that I have those on my car. Can’t say the bang for the buck is there as far as enjoyment goes.

Fit is good but not perfect. Needed a touch of love for the bolts on the far left and right to seat properly. The carbon weave is actually quite nice as I’ve been repeatedly disappointed by most wet carbon pieces I’ve seen before the BYS plate came through.

Rationale for this over a snorkel is that first and foremost I don’t want to cut the hood on this car or go down the rabbit hole of aftermarket body panels. And if we’re talking about not cutting the hood, I’m stuck with the super pinched snorkels that fit the OE hood. It’s pretty hard for me to believe one of those snorkels doesn’t start to restrict a healthy engine. I doubt Mugen would have made their intake require cutting and everyone else would offer 2 different snorkels if you could get the air volume needed with 0 cutting.

It’s not about bang for the buck, it’s about how you feel when you post a #detailsmatter pic on the Gram to show the haters you’re crushing it

jealous..ive wanted a viper since i was 12. saving for one but i was close to parting out and grabbing one while keeping the s2000

It was such a cool car but for me ended up being the thought of owning one was better than actually owning it. The attention started bothering me really quickly and it being soooo fast + me not tracking cars a lot hurt it. I love winding the S2000 through the gears on the street or feeling like I'm (kinda) pushing it in the mountains and I just couldn't do that with the Viper. It helped me realize what type of driving experience is best for me in a car, given how I can actually use it haha.

Plus having the money tied up in something I didn't even want to drive to work bothered me.

Whoa, this is a hot car! I hope you keep it forever and we can have tons of fun mountain trips. I am not sure you can stop 'building' it, but everything looks terrific to me.

Also, my CR build is taking a BIG step. Going to have another set of AP2V3 wheels powder coated Kaiser Silver with my favorite Indy 500 tires mounted to replace the stock CR wheels and RE-71s.
I know, its a pretty extreme build, but I already added the Modifry cup holder and even did rebuilt OEM brakes and suspension. I don't think I could do much more, maybe add a stereo?

I can't tell if you're trolling or serious. The response itself, you quoting your self in your signature line. It's all top tier.

Well done.

Did you meet Bill when you came through Atlanta?? He’s been trolling with the best of them before I was even born.

Bill, I have to keep putting these parts on so I can keep up with you on the Touge. I’ve gotta be first place at driving on public roads

I don't think I got the opportunity to meet Bill while I was out there. :|

I was you, Mark, Mayne, and Steve. I think that was it. Oh and //Steven\\ but he didn't come to dinner.