whats the big deal with CHURCH tuning?
05-22-2008, 07:55 PM
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whats the big deal with CHURCH tuning?
not wanting to start a flame war but whats the big deal with church's? it seems like all the dyno figures read very high compared to other shops.
ive heard lately that when you go in for a tune that they use a generic basemap and make the adjustments from there so its not a basemap based on YOUR car. the biggest thing was when i heard how the okada coilpacks made power on the church dyno on a FI car but heard from people that installed them on their FI car that they made no power.
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ive heard lately that when you go in for a tune that they use a generic basemap and make the adjustments from there so its not a basemap based on YOUR car. the biggest thing was when i heard how the okada coilpacks made power on the church dyno on a FI car but heard from people that installed them on their FI car that they made no power.
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05-22-2008, 08:00 PM
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To my knowledge his dyno reads high because of the type of dyno he uses. It measures at the rear hub, so the numbers run a little bit higher. I believe they factor that to give you a more realistic whp, but it still tends to read high.
05-22-2008, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JimiChanga,May 22 2008, 08:00 PM
To my knowledge his dyno reads high because of the type of dyno he uses. It measures at the rear hub, so the numbers run a little bit higher. I believe they factor that to give you a more realistic whp, but it still tends to read high.
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05-22-2008, 08:11 PM
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How dare you, How dare you! Church is a tuning GOD! it's in his name CHURCH, from birth they knew his destiny in life!
Ok, when my car was tuned by church the first time he couldn't use a base map. he had to make one for my car. not a big deal.
when he uses HIS own base calibrations and parameters it's to save time. The maps he uses are from a similar car with similar mods. No need to create a completely new map every time. Then he adjusts the map to fine tune it to each car.
He's basically saving you time (money) by doing it this way. If you tell him you want a completely new map (partial throttle, idle, etc) he can do that, but you're paying by the hour.
Ok, when my car was tuned by church the first time he couldn't use a base map. he had to make one for my car. not a big deal.
when he uses HIS own base calibrations and parameters it's to save time. The maps he uses are from a similar car with similar mods. No need to create a completely new map every time. Then he adjusts the map to fine tune it to each car.
He's basically saving you time (money) by doing it this way. If you tell him you want a completely new map (partial throttle, idle, etc) he can do that, but you're paying by the hour.
05-22-2008, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by chairmnofthboard,May 22 2008, 08:11 PM
How dare you, How dare you! Church is a tuning GOD! it's in his name CHURCH, from birth they knew his destiny in life!
Ok, when my car was tuned by church the first time he couldn't use a base map. he had to make one for my car. not a big deal.
when he uses HIS own base calibrations and parameters it's to save time. No need to create a completely new map every time. Then he adjusts the map to fine tune it to each car.
He's basically saving you time (money) by doing it this way. If you tell him you want a completely new map (partial throttle, idle, etc) he can do that, but you're paying by the hour.
Ok, when my car was tuned by church the first time he couldn't use a base map. he had to make one for my car. not a big deal.
when he uses HIS own base calibrations and parameters it's to save time. No need to create a completely new map every time. Then he adjusts the map to fine tune it to each car.
He's basically saving you time (money) by doing it this way. If you tell him you want a completely new map (partial throttle, idle, etc) he can do that, but you're paying by the hour.
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I posted similar questions a while back. I have come to find out that its all up to your wallet. He does the tunes around $300 that are actually decent for what you get. Like Chairman said he uses the basemaps to save money. However, the $300 tunes wont make you the big power you want.
Church is a pretty conservative tuner. I am sure he would go more aggressive with the OK from the owner. I was surprised to see how long it takes Church tuned EMS cars to start compared to some other tuners from the force induction forum. His cars crank, crank, and crank. Doesn't sound too great.
Church is a pretty conservative tuner. I am sure he would go more aggressive with the OK from the owner. I was surprised to see how long it takes Church tuned EMS cars to start compared to some other tuners from the force induction forum. His cars crank, crank, and crank. Doesn't sound too great.
05-22-2008, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by f23power,May 22 2008, 08:14 PM
thats what i thought as well...but eh.
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05-22-2008, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 9kFever,May 22 2008, 08:17 PM
I posted similar questions a while back. I have come to find out that its all up to your wallet. He does the tunes around $300 that are actually decent for what you get. Like Chairman said he uses the basemaps to save money. However, the $300 tunes wont make you the big power you want.
Church is a pretty conservative tuner. I am sure he would go more aggressive with the OK from the owner. I was surprised to see how long it takes Church tuned EMS cars to start compared to some other tuners from the force induction forum. His cars crank, crank, and crank. Doesn't sound too great.
Church is a pretty conservative tuner. I am sure he would go more aggressive with the OK from the owner. I was surprised to see how long it takes Church tuned EMS cars to start compared to some other tuners from the force induction forum. His cars crank, crank, and crank. Doesn't sound too great.
I personally don't mind losing 5-10 boosted horsepower for some reliability.
btw, my car starts up like normal.
