whats the big deal with CHURCH tuning?
05-22-2008, 09:36 PM
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Yes they have tested and found a difference of 10 at 205 hub horsepower and found a 12.5 difference at 230 hub horsepower. The website claims the margin will keep growing as you add more power due to inertia effects
So 355 hub horsepower is no more than 335 dynojet and probably closer to 330.
So 355 hub horsepower is no more than 335 dynojet and probably closer to 330.
05-22-2008, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 9kFever,May 22 2008, 09:39 PM
LOL, maybe it starts normal for a Church EMS car. I have yet to see one AEM EMS car from any tuner start like OEM.
This is about as good as I have seen. Not a Church car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwbBB3iGLAw
This is about as good as I have seen. Not a Church car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwbBB3iGLAw
my boy series10 got tuned at logic, last i hurd his start up was no diff with ems
05-22-2008, 10:19 PM
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I'm curious about Greddy E-Manage Ultimate tuners in So Cal. I'll be upping the boost on my CTSC and getting bigger injectors and Greddy EMU. I took my car to Church to get my FPR tuned but I'm always curious about other options. Church came off as mostly an EMS tuner.
05-23-2008, 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ABCVTEC,May 22 2008, 11:19 PM
I'm curious about Greddy E-Manage Ultimate tuners in So Cal. I'll be upping the boost on my CTSC and getting bigger injectors and Greddy EMU. I took my car to Church to get my FPR tuned but I'm always curious about other options. Church came off as mostly an EMS tuner.
All you guys. Several people have been going to Shawn for YEARS.
05-23-2008, 06:14 AM
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His numbers read high as hell, it's why magazines love using him.
Interesting fact. I've seen a few dyno sheets and everyone accounts for the Dynapack=hub...... However, at the top of the sheet it says "flywheel hp".
I think when you see 350hp on a Church dyno sheet.... it's talking flywheel so I'd figure in my head more like 300whp at best if I walked over to a mustang roller. That's just what I've seen anyways.
Also I'm on EMS, I've messed with a few things to improve starting. The key is to wait a full 3 seconds for the beeping to stop you turn the key over and then hit the ignition. It seems the fuel primes VERY late on EMS cars, I'm not sure if it's because the software is advanced and takes a second to load like a PC when it starts up or what. If I let it prime it starts pretty damn quick, especially if it's not a cold morning start. However, they do all seem to start slower then stock even in prime conditions and after waiting for the fuel pump to go quiet.
-Greg
Interesting fact. I've seen a few dyno sheets and everyone accounts for the Dynapack=hub...... However, at the top of the sheet it says "flywheel hp".
I think when you see 350hp on a Church dyno sheet.... it's talking flywheel so I'd figure in my head more like 300whp at best if I walked over to a mustang roller. That's just what I've seen anyways.
Also I'm on EMS, I've messed with a few things to improve starting. The key is to wait a full 3 seconds for the beeping to stop you turn the key over and then hit the ignition. It seems the fuel primes VERY late on EMS cars, I'm not sure if it's because the software is advanced and takes a second to load like a PC when it starts up or what. If I let it prime it starts pretty damn quick, especially if it's not a cold morning start. However, they do all seem to start slower then stock even in prime conditions and after waiting for the fuel pump to go quiet.
-Greg
05-23-2008, 07:26 AM
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Funny thing is that most these ANTI CHURCH people will end up tuning at church lol
Shawn will tell you, it reads high, and wont start exactly like the factory ECU. If you let the fuel pump prime (2-3) seconds, it will start right up. You can hear the aftermarket fuel pump priming when you turn the key.
BTW, one of the members dynoed at church and roller dyno, 7 hp difference.
Shawn will tell you, it reads high, and wont start exactly like the factory ECU. If you let the fuel pump prime (2-3) seconds, it will start right up. You can hear the aftermarket fuel pump priming when you turn the key.
BTW, one of the members dynoed at church and roller dyno, 7 hp difference.