2012 Civic released
02-19-2011, 08:36 PM
#61
Originally Posted by GrandMasterKhan,Feb 19 2011, 10:41 AM
i think its quite ironic. here we are supposed to be an ethusiast site.
Its VERY common knowledge the K24 engine is an absolute tuning monster. In Fact, it outclasses the F20/F22c when modified and the K24 has proven itself to be an amazing swap and capable of producing better tq and whp vs the all mightly F series. even the 'lesser' K20 will produce better whp when tuned ihe vs a tuned ihe f20/f22.
Now you guys are complianing that Honda is offering the K24 engine standard in the Civic Si? Sure, they didnt bump up the power much from the prior k20, but I be your nickels the TQ is greatly improved and the car is faster overall. I really wonder how this K24 will respond with Bolt ons.
Its VERY common knowledge the K24 engine is an absolute tuning monster. In Fact, it outclasses the F20/F22c when modified and the K24 has proven itself to be an amazing swap and capable of producing better tq and whp vs the all mightly F series. even the 'lesser' K20 will produce better whp when tuned ihe vs a tuned ihe f20/f22.
Now you guys are complianing that Honda is offering the K24 engine standard in the Civic Si? Sure, they didnt bump up the power much from the prior k20, but I be your nickels the TQ is greatly improved and the car is faster overall. I really wonder how this K24 will respond with Bolt ons.
Unless you swap a K20 head on it. That's irony.
02-20-2011, 04:45 AM
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Not only is the suspension gap huge, the track is way too narrow for the bodywork. Honda has had a bad history of doing this to their rear quarter fenders. Makes it look like a fat guy pulling up his pant legs to cross a puddle.
Looks like it'll be a 2012 Focus this year, when we have to replace our commuter car.
Looks like it'll be a 2012 Focus this year, when we have to replace our commuter car.
02-20-2011, 09:34 AM
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Underpowered compared to what? The Si is underpowered but the basic Civic (ie, the one that sells the most) is definitely not.
02-20-2011, 10:02 AM
#65
Originally Posted by JonBoy,Feb 19 2011, 10:27 AM
Not with the integrated header, it isn't. 
That's a fairly extensive/expensive retrofit to change that out.
In day-to-day driving, I expect it will be quicker and easier to drive. I'm not sure it will be better than a K20 (cheaper or more powerful/quicker) if you do similar mods though, based on the integrated header limiting your options.
That's a fairly extensive/expensive retrofit to change that out.In day-to-day driving, I expect it will be quicker and easier to drive. I'm not sure it will be better than a K20 (cheaper or more powerful/quicker) if you do similar mods though, based on the integrated header limiting your options.
However, does anyone remember back in the day when people would run an adapter block and hook a turbo up to the CRX HF manifold that had a similar layout (it wasn't integrated but the runners did converge abruptly to a common exit)? I wonder if that would be possible with this setup. Mechanically it seems doable but I mean more from a metallurgical perspective if it would be possible to pull this off without warping the head.
02-20-2011, 10:27 AM
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i have to say i like the 4 door much more than the coupe. the coupe, front and back, imho is horrible. the 4 door is exception, especially the si but the previous body style cannot be compared at all to the new ones. the old body style is just so much nicer in every way
02-20-2011, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr.E.G.,Feb 20 2011, 11:02 AM
Wow. The integrated exhaust manifold is seriously lame.
However, does anyone remember back in the day when people would run an adapter block and hook a turbo up to the CRX HF manifold that had a similar layout (it wasn't integrated but the runners did converge abruptly to a common exit)? I wonder if that would be possible with this setup. Mechanically it seems doable but I mean more from a metallurgical perspective if it would be possible to pull this off without warping the head.
However, does anyone remember back in the day when people would run an adapter block and hook a turbo up to the CRX HF manifold that had a similar layout (it wasn't integrated but the runners did converge abruptly to a common exit)? I wonder if that would be possible with this setup. Mechanically it seems doable but I mean more from a metallurgical perspective if it would be possible to pull this off without warping the head.
That said, I don't know what's in it for Honda. One would think it can't be a good thing and if Chrysler did the same thing people would say it was terrible. However, Honda is known for doing their own things with motors but rarely do they do something without some reason. I'm just curious what it is in this case.
Edit: This isn't Honda specific but it does talk about integrated manifolds:
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/03/15/lotus-d...-tuners-cringe/
02-20-2011, 12:03 PM
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I'm sure there is an emissions benefit. Honda doesn't care what happens in the aftermarket. I'm sure there are a dozen advantages to such a manifold but none of which is making more power.
02-20-2011, 12:44 PM
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I did not know the head had an integrated header into the manifold. That is lame.
HOWEVER. If you already have a K24 bottom end then it makes it THAT much easier to swap a K20 head onto it.
It was after all the K24block/K20head that is the killer combo after all.
HOWEVER. If you already have a K24 bottom end then it makes it THAT much easier to swap a K20 head onto it.
It was after all the K24block/K20head that is the killer combo after all.