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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 12:37 PM
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What production cars still come with 4-wheel double wishbone suspension? I know that 911's, BMW's, and modern Honda's are using a McPherson struts on at least 2 wheels. Double wishbone, while ideal, seems to have been mostly replaced.
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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 01:15 PM
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Oh, I can't wait to see the nonsense this thread produces. I'm not blaming the thread, I'm just expecting some real silly responses.
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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 02:09 PM
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Multi-link seems to have surpassed double-wishbone in performance for rear suspension.

Mr.E.G., is my response silly or nonsense?
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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 02:33 PM
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Was it the NSX that started this trend with double wishbone on all four corners?

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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 03:25 PM
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Kappas and the Corvette are double wishbone. I think most/all Ferraris are as well. I'm not sure the NSX started any suspension trends. Double wishbone in the front is a very old design. The first Miata used 4 corner wishbone and came about about the same time as the NSX. The C4 Corvette, the first volume car to use forged suspension arms had wishbones in the front and multi-link in back. Then again so did the C3.

Also, technically double wishbone is a subset of multi-link. Double wishbone is just a special case where, kinematically speaking, two links meet at the same outboard point.

When push comes to shove, double wishbone doesn't ensure anything good any more than struts ensure something bad. With suspension most of the devils are in the details.
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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by tantheman,Oct 6 2009, 02:33 PM
Was it the NSX that started this trend with double wishbone on all four corners?

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Probably not. The double wishbone is older than the MacPherson strut design and the multilink design.

Before MacPherson struts fronts and multilink rears really took off, alot of mainstream cars had double wishbone fronts and solid rear axle or trailing arm rears . Thus some older sporty cars had double wishbone setups all around. For example my 1987 Supra has double wishbones all around.
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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by rockville,Oct 6 2009, 03:25 PM
Kappas and the Corvette are double wishbone. I think most/all Ferraris are as well. I'm not sure the NSX started any suspension trends. Double wishbone in the front is a very old design. The first Miata used 4 corner wishbone and came about about the same time as the NSX. The C4 Corvette, the first volume car to use forged suspension arms had wishbones in the front and multi-link in back. Then again so did the C3.

Also, technically double wishbone is a subset of multi-link. Double wishbone is just a special case where, kinematically speaking, two links meet at the same outboard point.

When push comes to shove, double wishbone doesn't ensure anything good any more than struts ensure something bad. With suspension most of the devils are in the details.
Crap you beat me to it. That's what I get for starting a post and then going to take a crap before clicking post.
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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris S,Oct 6 2009, 02:09 PM
Multi-link seems to have surpassed double-wishbone in performance for rear suspension.

Mr.E.G., is my response silly or nonsense?
There are exceptions to the rule. I expect nothing but the best from you, Rockville, and a couple of others.
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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by tantheman,Oct 6 2009, 05:33 PM
Was it the NSX that started this trend with double wishbone on all four corners?

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Probably not, since my '88 Accord had it.
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Old Oct 6, 2009 | 11:40 PM
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What's double wishbone?
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