zdave87

Numbers are kinda low, me thinks.

vader1

Perhaps, but the regular 3 series comes with low rolling resistance run flats, and gets worlds better with just a regular set of tires. I kind of think its a push here. Not that the ATS could'nt match the M3, but it is not going to be a cake walk either.

billios996

I figured they would have stuck with a v8 for Caddy and left the turbo v6 for the Buick Grand National GNX
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...17-future-cars

rob-2

Competition is good.

MartyS

Competition is great. This segment has a great choice of selections now... ATSV, C63, M3/M4, RC-F, RS5, GT350

WolfpackS2k

I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that most (maybe all?) of the car comparisons I read between the two used models equipped with the sport packages. Either way it's rare that a magazine would compare a sport equipped model against another without it.

vader1

I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that most (maybe all?) of the car comparisons I read between the two used models equipped with the sport packages. Either way it's rare that a magazine would compare a sport equipped model against another without it.
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Well I'd have to check my old brochure, but I have the sport package, and I get low rolling run flats, and the mags commented on how they would be better without them. There is a huge thread on Bimmerfest about how much better they get when you swap out the tires. For BMW, they still handle WELL on the crappy run flats, but it was all about CAFE and gas mileage. If I remember correctly, you can chose between all season and summer compounds, but you still get mileage biased run flats and they give you a big penalty.

But I really don't know what comes with the M cars. I would ASSUME they are niether low resistance or run flat, but I really don't know.

With that said, from everything I read, Caddy did not mess up on the handling on the regular ATS so this one should be quite good. The article gave demerits to Caddy for a funky interior, but I really liked it on the one I saw.

hirev

Vader.....I have a 2013 335i m sportline, does your electronics have a mind of their own? do you ever push a button and it does nothing or put your foot under the bumper and the trunk does not open, or your car go into limp mode???? just checking, as I remember you have the 328i. I also think my car was designed for the automatic rather than manual as it has allot of throttle run on sometimes...your thoughts?

YEs the runflats are expensive junk, hit a pot hole and find out! i got the warranty from tire american on all tires so it will not happen again...go figure on an expensive car with expensive tires?

waltk88

Upcoming C63 S will significantly raise the performance bar in this segment. It's the only competitor with a twin-turbo V8.

vader1

You know I did not get the package with sat radio and the kick to open the trunk so I can't comment. I read on Bimmerfest that the trunk thing can be iffy.

I will say my only issue is after long cold spells when you finally get a warm day, the idle is lumpy as if the car is adjusting to something and then after a day that goes away. Otherwise I have about 11,000 on it and have never had a single issue (knock on wood) and the car has been flawless. Great in snow, and good mileage. I would love to ditch the runflats but not quite there yet. And I actually like the start stop feature during the summer months, but if you don't have the software update, the 2014's were much smoother than 2012-13 so get that done at your next service.

I love the car though, just wish it was paid off so I could look at used Porsches!