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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 03:33 PM
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I still disagree with your earlier statement about those who bought a used NSX bought merely for more attention though.
It was a blanket statement, of course it is not correct all of the time. I am sure some enthusiasts purchased the cars for a number of reasons, value, performance and childhood dreams being way up there on that list.
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Sonic_S2k_04,Jan 24 2005, 02:51 PM
...Like the attention you get in an NSX? Um...newsflash.... I can spot a viper coming from 1 mile away. Like a rare car? Drive a marauder or gto... There rare for the same reasons. Over priced for what they offered...
Umm....the person looking to buy an NSX (new OR used) is probably not looking at a Marauder. It is not all about the attention (hence the reason I did not buy a Viper)....
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by steve c,Jan 24 2005, 04:29 PM
The C4 was two generations ago, and in fact the ZR1 did outperform the NSX in that day too. Since then, the C5 and now C6 don't simply outperform the NSX in every measure of performance, they blow it away.
The ZR1 by all accounts was one of the most awesome performance cars ever built. I would add it to my collection without reservation. That car is an icon for several reasons.
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by steve c,Jan 24 2005, 04:33 PM
It was a blanket statement, of course it is not correct all of the time. I am sure some enthusiasts purchased the cars for a number of reasons, value, performance and childhood dreams being way up there on that list.
Got it,
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by PsychoBen,Jan 24 2005, 02:42 PM
Because I think that 15 yr old design and quality are still far better than any others in the last 15 years including the newest ones. Don't let that new vs old cloud your decision for a moment. Sit in each one and let me know which interior has better overall design, material quality, and fitment than the NSX. Sadly, the market trend has been that of skimming on interior quality in favor of HP claim.
This is exactly what I've been saying. To me, the exterior is timeless because it still looks beautiful even by today's standards. The interior is not the most beautiful, but it's still rather nice, much nicer than S2000's and many other cars'. The quality of the interior is still very nice, again, much nicer than S2000's and many other cars'. Let's remember this is a 15 yr-old interior design, yet still holds a candle to many of today's cars.

Just look at BioBanker's yellow NSX in his sig! I don't understand how some of you can think it's dated and doesn't look beautiful. It still looks stunning to me. Does it need to be updated? ABSOLUTELY! Especially in the power department. It'd be nice to have a whole new design for the car, however, even with the current body, it's still beautiful. That's all to my opinion. I don't know what else to say.
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 04:39 PM
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I don't understand how some of you can think it's dated and doesn't look beautiful.
Had the car been changed (to a larger degree than it has) my bet is that more people would share my feelings that the current NSX looks like it came out of the late 80's.

The best example I can give to explain this is the Ferrari 355. Because of the 360, and now the 430 when I look at a 355 where I once saw just beauty, I now see old beauty. Pretty? Sure, but old.
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 04:51 PM
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I would think that someone who is in the market for a $100,000 car is probably not just looking for the most speed for the money. Seems a little one-dimensional perspective at that price. Personally if I could buy the nsx today I would. I even considered getting a used one when I was shopping for my S.

The nsx was never a cheap car anyway(almost $70k when it debuted?), and it was never just about pure speed or power. But aside from the fact that the exterior styling is still pretty much the same, the performance did improve over the years. I am looking forward to seeing the relacement honda says is coming in about two years
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 05:02 PM
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Really, how can anybody take Steve C serious with statements like these.

That is true. Depreciation is kept artifially high due to the very low number of cars out there -- which has a direct relationship to how overpriced they are for the performance offered.
Depreciation is an artificial construct...so how is it "artificial" that the depreciation is low because of low production numbers????!!!??? Name a car whose depreciation is kept "naturally" high due to low production numbers.

Worth and value are artificial constructs. Why was MSFT valued more than GE at one point? Why is a Ferrari worth more than a Corvette when the performance is the same? Is the "heritage" that you gave as the reason really worth THAT much more? Why is a Mac more expensive than a PC when a Mac is slower, has less memory, has a smaller harddrive, and runs less applications?

Production numbers are always artificially controlled, either by the manufacturer limiting the production number directly or indirectly, through the price. Are you saying Ferrari's production numbers are not directly related to how overpriced Ferraris are? But wait, Ferraris aren't overpriced. Or are they? How is pricing determined again?

Surely a smart guy like you has taken econ 101.

I'm still wondering why a rock should be worth 3 month's salary.


Right now though, it looks like owning a slightly used NSX is a good idea and with low risk. This thread and others like it indicate there is no lack of a seemingly brainwashed audience willing to pay a premium for what is arguably now a substandard product.
We get it, you think the NSX is overpriced, and many would agree with you. But really, what is this need to be so condescending..yea, people who buy NSXs are brainedwashed..give me a break.
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 06:08 PM
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Depreciation is an artificial construct...so how is it "artificial" that the depreciation is low because of low production numbersp
Very good, you can take the common vernacular and deconstruct it to your advantage. Kudos.

Why is a Ferrari worth more than a Corvette when the performance is the same?
Perceived value and yes, heritage with a dash of exclusivity, i.e. I can afford this car and you can not.

Why is a Mac more expensive than a PC when a Mac is slower, has less memory, has a smaller harddrive, and runs less applications?
Because the world is full of morons. See earlier comments regarding fanboi's.

Production numbers are always artificially controlled, either by the manufacturer limiting the production number directly or indirectly, through the price.
Not true, the third dimension you are leaving out, which plays into my earlier comments is the performance to price ratio. *If* the NSX still offered competitive performance for the price it would sell more. Don't believe this is true? Look at the numbers sold, they have declined with each successive year and the introduction of better cars for less money.

Surely a smart guy like you has taken econ 101.
Yes, and it appears I retained more of the class than you.

yea, people who buy NSXs are brainedwashed..give me a break.
And I must have passed reading comprehension with a higher grade as well. People that buy (and if you read again, people that buy new at the full price, not lease) the NSX new are morons.
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by steve c,Jan 24 2005, 12:58 PM
Before you pull the aluminum card, who cares, the use of Al is now damn near common
Lets analyze Steve C's comment a bit:

Please list all the cars that have an all Al chassis and engine/tranny. Hmmm, Porsche 911- Nope. If it is so damn common, why is it that only a Jag, and Audi A8 come up on my list.
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