Evolution of Cars
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It does all "depend." But the idea that you can never experience the benefits of a car with higher limits on the street is an ignorant statement. Ever merged on a freeway? I'm guessing you haven't because you stated you will never get close to the limits of your car. Those of us who have merged onto freeways have indeed experienced the limits of our cars.
Ever passed a car on a two-lane road? I'm guessing you haven't, because you stated "On the street I will never be anywhere near the limit of what my car is capable of." Those of us who drive two lane roads have actually approached the limits of our cars' limitations while passing, in the interest of passing safely.
Ever had someone on a multi-lane road cross into your lane? Unless you piled into them because your car could not brake fast enough or maneuver out of the way while maintaining control, you've benefitted from driving a car with higher limits, with a larger performance envelope than other cars. It is the height of ignorance to suggest that 0-60 is the ultimate and encompassing measure of a car's total performance. And that attitude is what leads people to think that "You can never use it's potential on the street."
Ever have a deer cross the road while you are driving and been able to avoid it? I am guessing not, because anyone who has will testify to the responsiveness and stabilty of their vehicle for avoiding the accident.
Don't comment on things you know nothing about. Your theory that nobody ever approaches the limit of their car on public roads is a theory formulated by someone who has a very limited experience of driving. This apparently describes you, by your own testimony. So in the future please refrain from thinking your input is relevant.
Ever passed a car on a two-lane road? I'm guessing you haven't, because you stated "On the street I will never be anywhere near the limit of what my car is capable of." Those of us who drive two lane roads have actually approached the limits of our cars' limitations while passing, in the interest of passing safely.
Ever had someone on a multi-lane road cross into your lane? Unless you piled into them because your car could not brake fast enough or maneuver out of the way while maintaining control, you've benefitted from driving a car with higher limits, with a larger performance envelope than other cars. It is the height of ignorance to suggest that 0-60 is the ultimate and encompassing measure of a car's total performance. And that attitude is what leads people to think that "You can never use it's potential on the street."
Ever have a deer cross the road while you are driving and been able to avoid it? I am guessing not, because anyone who has will testify to the responsiveness and stabilty of their vehicle for avoiding the accident.
Don't comment on things you know nothing about. Your theory that nobody ever approaches the limit of their car on public roads is a theory formulated by someone who has a very limited experience of driving. This apparently describes you, by your own testimony. So in the future please refrain from thinking your input is relevant.
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Originally Posted by JoeyBalls' timestamp='1308755048' post='20708003
I believe Ferrari is has publicly stated that they were back into making the quickest accelerating cars, not just top speed. I believe one of their newer cars was praised for how light it was etc?
The only reason the S550 is called an S500 all over the world... People in America don't want to look at a newer model and see a smaller number designation hence the S550. Also the new CL550's and soon to be every "550" will carry their new 429 horsepower 4.6 liter Twin Turbo. They should, according to their designation, go back to calling it a CL460. But Americans don't want to buy a newer model and see that their neighbor has a higher denomination and an older car. The new 5.5 engine that AMG is getting is TT as well but will still carry the 63 designation. The highest AMG car was a SL73 sold in very few numbers in the US and yes it did have the same 7.3 engine that MB provides to Pagani for their 'Zonda' model. I know too much about MB's.
Originally Posted by tak_one_77' timestamp='1308810596' post='20711078
[quote name='tien2' timestamp='1308754621' post='20707979'][quote name='stevoe88' timestamp='1308696362' post='20706047']Pretty sure an S600 already exists... They're just custom ordered or something.
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In 2006... Mercedes sold its first short wheel based W220 in America designating it as the S350. It shared the same engine and transmission as a E350. I sat in one and compared to my S500, it was half a foot shorter and was missing many options such as Bi-Xenon and such. Over all the dash stated a fuel economy of 17.9 which was about the same as what I see with my car over 2000 miles. The leather was also not as nice since my car has Napa leather. Also the S430 was available in short wheel base in Canada.
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Originally Posted by NuncoStr8' timestamp='1308809812' post='20711056
It does all "depend." But the idea that you can never experience the benefits of a car with higher limits on the street is an ignorant statement. Ever merged on a freeway? I'm guessing you haven't because you stated you will never get close to the limits of your car. Those of us who have merged onto freeways have indeed experienced the limits of our cars.
Ever passed a car on a two-lane road? I'm guessing you haven't, because you stated "On the street I will never be anywhere near the limit of what my car is capable of." Those of us who drive two lane roads have actually approached the limits of our cars' limitations while passing, in the interest of passing safely.
Ever had someone on a multi-lane road cross into your lane? Unless you piled into them because your car could not brake fast enough or maneuver out of the way while maintaining control, you've benefitted from driving a car with higher limits, with a larger performance envelope than other cars. It is the height of ignorance to suggest that 0-60 is the ultimate and encompassing measure of a car's total performance. And that attitude is what leads people to think that "You can never use it's potential on the street."
Ever have a deer cross the road while you are driving and been able to avoid it? I am guessing not, because anyone who has will testify to the responsiveness and stabilty of their vehicle for avoiding the accident.
Don't comment on things you know nothing about. Your theory that nobody ever approaches the limit of their car on public roads is a theory formulated by someone who has a very limited experience of driving. This apparently describes you, by your own testimony. So in the future please refrain from thinking your input is relevant.
Ever passed a car on a two-lane road? I'm guessing you haven't, because you stated "On the street I will never be anywhere near the limit of what my car is capable of." Those of us who drive two lane roads have actually approached the limits of our cars' limitations while passing, in the interest of passing safely.
Ever had someone on a multi-lane road cross into your lane? Unless you piled into them because your car could not brake fast enough or maneuver out of the way while maintaining control, you've benefitted from driving a car with higher limits, with a larger performance envelope than other cars. It is the height of ignorance to suggest that 0-60 is the ultimate and encompassing measure of a car's total performance. And that attitude is what leads people to think that "You can never use it's potential on the street."
Ever have a deer cross the road while you are driving and been able to avoid it? I am guessing not, because anyone who has will testify to the responsiveness and stabilty of their vehicle for avoiding the accident.
Don't comment on things you know nothing about. Your theory that nobody ever approaches the limit of their car on public roads is a theory formulated by someone who has a very limited experience of driving. This apparently describes you, by your own testimony. So in the future please refrain from thinking your input is relevant.
You do hear a lot of talk about "but I couldn't use 90% of it on the street," which sounds reasonable in regards to a Z06 or a GT3, but realistically, you can and would use the greatly expanded performance envelope of a serious sports car every day you drive it. You might not use the high speed or acceleration capability, but you would use enough of it on a regular basis to make it a funner and still safer car than less capable machines. That's what I should have written, and stopped there.
luder_555, I apologize. I came across much harsher than was really intended and what you had to say was reasonable and my response was not. I went too far and that is hardly polite. I don't want you to think I bear you any ill will. We agree on far more than we disagree. Cheers.
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