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Old Sep 5, 2007 | 09:58 PM
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My friend has a Miata and he stumbled upon this car on one of the Miata forums:

http://www.clubroadster.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9982





What do you guys think? I think it could be a fun little car, but the interior could definitely use some work... At least it's better than the V8 swap some Miata guys do...
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Old Sep 5, 2007 | 10:43 PM
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Awesome. What would be ridiculously scary would be a turbo'd F20C miata...
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Old Sep 5, 2007 | 11:21 PM
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why would you drop in a non turbo motor and turbo it? The miata guys have plenty of turbo kits, many of which are far more reliable than the s2k applications. The motor was basically a turbo motor without the turbo.
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Old Sep 5, 2007 | 11:42 PM
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What makes it better than the V8 swaps?

Weight? nope...
Power? definanty not...
Fuel mileage? nope again...
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Old Sep 6, 2007 | 12:07 AM
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That's pretty cool.
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Old Sep 6, 2007 | 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Flite,Sep 5 2007, 11:42 PM
What makes it better than the V8 swaps?

Weight? nope...
Power? definanty not...
Fuel mileage? nope again...
I don't profess to knowing a whole lot about engine swaps, but I can't imagine the f20c being 250lbs heavier than the stock miata engine like the 5.0l V8 is. Adding 250lbs to the front of the car is probably going to create a noticeable difference in handling in a very light car like the miata (especially when weight is removed from the rest of the car like in this example). [EDIT: Actually, in that guy's post, he says his F20C miata weighed in at around 2100-2200lbs with all the weight reduction. The stock miata weighed around 2200lbs, so with all the weight reduction factored in, the car w/ the F20C weighs LESS than it did bone stock.]

Also, 250hp out of a 5.0l is hardly impressive (though obviously it does make more torque). I wouldn't really call the V8's 10hp more than the F20c a "definite" power advantage.

Anyway, when I said it was "better" it was mostly subjective... I personally would rather have an F20c than a V8 in that car. But, to each his own, I can see the V8 miata's torque advantage being useful, and it would definitely be a head turner
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Old Sep 6, 2007 | 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by SavesTheDay,Sep 6 2007, 01:21 AM
why would you drop in a non turbo motor and turbo it? The miata guys have plenty of turbo kits, many of which are far more reliable than the s2k applications. The motor was basically a turbo motor without the turbo.
If you're racing the car, turbo'd Miatas can present some problems in the cooling department. I know a guy that races a turbo'd Miata and in the middle of summer, he can't do a full race without overheating. You can only cram so much radiator/intercooler in the car so it takes quite a bit of engineering to make one race-reliable and still make decent power.

His car makes about 220 rwhp, I believe.
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Old Sep 6, 2007 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Bloodred,Sep 6 2007, 05:21 AM
I don't profess to knowing a whole lot about engine swaps, but I can't imagine the f20c being 250lbs heavier than the stock miata engine like the 5.0l V8 is. Adding 250lbs to the front of the car is probably going to create a noticeable difference in handling in a very light car like the miata (especially when weight is removed from the rest of the car like in this example). [EDIT: Actually, in that guy's post, he says his F20C miata weighed in at around 2100-2200lbs with all the weight reduction. The stock miata weighed around 2200lbs, so with all the weight reduction factored in, the car w/ the F20C weighs LESS than it did bone stock.]

Also, 250hp out of a 5.0l is hardly impressive (though obviously it does make more torque). I wouldn't really call the V8's 10hp more than the F20c a "definite" power advantage.

Anyway, when I said it was "better" it was mostly subjective... I personally would rather have an F20c than a V8 in that car. But, to each his own, I can see the V8 miata's torque advantage being useful, and it would definitely be a head turner
Ahhhh, I see.


I depends on what kind of V8 swap you do into a Miata. An LSx for example is actually lighter than the stock Miata engine. I'm not sure what a H.O. 5.0 motor weighs.
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Old Sep 6, 2007 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Flite,Sep 6 2007, 09:13 AM
Ahhhh, I see.


I depends on what kind of V8 swap you do into a Miata. An LSx for example is actually lighter than the stock Miata engine. I'm not sure what a H.O. 5.0 motor weighs.
ah no. a LS2 is about 60lbs HEAVIER than an F20c and about 80lbs more than a NA 1.6 DOHC.
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Old Sep 6, 2007 | 10:23 AM
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LS1 > F20
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