Ford is lying
Originally Posted by Ghostface80,Mar 28 2010, 09:04 AM
short shifters in mustangs take care of that. Although I'm not sure about this new getrag unit.
Tonight at midnight... the test reviews start coming in! I'm predicting.. 12.7x from the mags.. better drivers obviously will do better when they're released to the public.
Tonight at midnight... the test reviews start coming in! I'm predicting.. 12.7x from the mags.. better drivers obviously will do better when they're released to the public.
[QUOTE=Bullitt44,Mar 28 2010, 12:25 PM]I have been in the new 5.0 on track.
Originally Posted by AIm2kil,Mar 27 2010, 07:05 AM
Its about time they brought back the 5.0. I haven't cared for the mustang since they switched to the smaller engine, this is going to be one beast mustang. Its too bad American cars are going through a horsepower race and they only true affordable Japanese sports car is the 370z.
The 1995 Cobra had a 5.0L pushrod V8 making 240 hp, but in 1996 the Cobra had a 4.6L DOHC making 305 hp. It would pass the 1995 Cobra like it was standing still. Kind of hard to argue the larger displacement pushrod engines were somehow better at making power. They were physically smaller, but structurally weaker. Four valve overhead cam heads totally trumped the pushrod motors for power potential.
In addition, the 4.6 SOHC made as much power when it was first put into a Mustang as the out-going 5.0 did. But it made it at a higher rpm. Off idle the 5.0 accelerated harder, but ran out of steam sooner. In a 1/4 mile it was a wash. How is one inferior to the other if they deliver pretty much the same performance?
A common argument is that it is cheaper and easier to make more power with a 302 than a 4.6. But in reality, it's a lot harder than just ordering parts from Summit. And a lot more expensive than people like to acknowledge. There's way more choices for the 302, but there's a lot more to it than just bolting on 100 horsepower. Especially if you want to keep the daily drivability. On the other hand, supercharger kits for the SOHC 4.6 are a dime a dozen, all delivering power levels that would strain the pushrod blocks. You don't have to swap cams and intakes and heads and everything to see 400 hp in your daily driver 4.6.
The new 5L DOHC V8 is just more of the same things that made the 4.6 better than the 302. The displacement happens to be similar to the pushrod 302, but it's far more 4.6 than 302.
Originally Posted by rockville,Mar 28 2010, 10:15 AM
Spud, I'm not sure I agree with you here. Keep in mind that most Mustangs are going to be in the $20k-$30k range. All three of the cars you mention are above that range. Only the S2000 would overlap to any real degree with the Mustang.
I sure as hell don't see the Mustang interior as busy. That would be a new Civic or Fit. The plasticy comment was true for the '05-'09 car. I'm not sure about the '10s yet. If you get that hung up on hard plastic I would suggest you stay out of any car that was intended to primarily sell for less than $30k.
I sure as hell don't see the Mustang interior as busy. That would be a new Civic or Fit. The plasticy comment was true for the '05-'09 car. I'm not sure about the '10s yet. If you get that hung up on hard plastic I would suggest you stay out of any car that was intended to primarily sell for less than $30k.
Originally Posted by SpudRacer,Mar 28 2010, 04:34 PM
Take a look at the Ford Fusion or better yet, the Chevy Malibu for a moderately priced domestic car with competitive interior design and materials. For a slightly more upscale example look at the new Buick LaCrosse. It's excellent. The 2011 Regal is very impressive for a domestic sedan in the mid $20's. Or the Nissan Altima. Or the Accord coupe. Forget about the Camaro. Chevy apparently decided to compete with the Mustang for ugliest interior in a muscle car. Seriously, I owned a 2005 GTO for about 2 1/2 years and while it was no standard setter, the interior was very decent compared to what Mustang and Camaro offer. Granted, the MSRP for the GTO was about $34K back in 2005. The frustrating thing for me is that Ford and GM have shown they can be competitive. They simply choose not to be much of the time. I guess on a positive note, the Mustang & Camaro are fully competitive with the interiors of Chrysler vehicles.
Originally Posted by SpudRacer,Mar 28 2010, 09:49 AM
I think you and I have vastly different standards. I have an 06 Volvo XC90, an 08 S2000, and an 08 G35X with wood trim rather than the Washi aluminum. All of those (none of which are luxury cars) look like they're from a different decade than the Mustang. The picture you posted a link to illustrates my point exactly. The Mustang interior is busy as hell and comprised almost completely of hard plastic surfaces. Contrast that to my 08 S2000 which has a basic and functional interior but almost all surfaces are soft touch and the overall look is very simple and elegant. IMHO Ford has always sucked at interior design and employed the worst materials in the industry. Finally, with the new 2012 Focus they seem to be "getting it". I have no doubt they can design a decent interior if they choose to. But until their latest generation of product they just didn't seem to care. The new Taurus interior is a huge improvement over the earlier generation but the center console/stack still has way to much hard plastic to sell against its competition. I'm sorry but, I have seen a 2010 Mustang at the New York Auto show in 2009. If the link to that picture you posted is supposed to be an argument for a high quality interior then I can only conclude that what you find acceptable I find pathetic.
V8 XC90 with 311 HP, which is about what the V6 Mustang starts at $47,000. That's $25,000 more than a base Mustang V6 or about $22,000 more than a V6 premium. For twice the money you'd expect a nicer interior. Look at a $22,000 Mustang interior versus an LX accord. For the same money you get a car with more feature and twice the engine.
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