Um....no.


I wish that were true, but it aint even close.

I once heard I think it was Kissenger say, "Country's don't have friends, they have interests." That is to say another country is your friend only to the point where you want the same thing.

To say that China would "help" us with North Korea, with Iran, with the Iraq situation would be ludacrous. They are having so much fun having them be a thorn in our sides.

China knocked one of our planes out of the air a couple years ago that was flying in international airspace. They send as many spies as they can possibly can to our country. Steal secrets. Sell weapons to enemies. Need I go on?

China is by no means working hard to be our friend. Both countries are working to tolerate each other where there is common gain, but that is about as far as it goes.

Sorry to go so far off topic but that was a softball. Actually a beach ball.

 

Uhhh... did we travel back in time to the 1960s?

 

You are obviously not educated enough to think for yourself.

Oh, tt's spelled "propaganda." English isn't even my first language and I know that.

You think America doesn't use propaganda? Look at what Bush is doing right now, he's rewriting history before our eyes.

 

He is stupid, but what rewriting history are you talking about? Give specific examples.

At least he did not go about destroying 1000s of years of Chinese artifact.

 

Sign me the **** up:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-06...death-van_x.htm

Yeah, let's all move to the wonderful country of China:
[QUOTE]Sixty-eight different crimes

 

China doesn't help with the Iraq and Iran situation because it doesn't believe the United States should go around playing police in every country it sees fit. Many other countries also share such sentiments, and many Americans share those views as well. How many Americans still support Bush and the operation in Iraq? I'll be surprised if it is still an overwhelming majority.

As for the plane incident, you are presenting possibly the most biased and uninformed account of that incident I've ever heard.

The Chinese did not purposely knock the U.S. plane from the sky, it was a mid air collision. Even Navy officials say "The planes actually bumped into each other. The collision appeared to be an accident and the Chinese did not force our plane down."

In fact, the Chinese Jet that collided with the American plane crashed and the pilot went missing (dead). It's not like the Chinese jet shot down the American plane with missiles. And before some sick **** suggests a Chinese suicide mission, no that didn't happen here.

As for whose fault it is for the accident, it's up to debate. The fact is that Chinese jets were sent to tail the American plane as it was approaching the Chinese boundary. As you said, it was international air space, so the Chinese jets had as much right to fly in that space as the American plane.

While tailing the American plane, the American plane made a sudden turn towards the Chinese Jet. The Chinese Jet didn't react in time, and a collision occurred.

American Admiral Blair said this of the incident ""the faster, more maneuverable aircraft has the obligation to stay out of the way of the slower aircraft."

Basically it means, our plane was bigger so tough luck you didn't move out of the way fast enough.

And it's funny you mention the Chinese spying, considering that the EP-3 that went down was a SPY plane. What do you think it was doing in the South China sea? The US EP-3 patrol aircraft is packed with electronics for listening to radio signals and monitoring radar sites. It was on a routine flight to monitor the activities of Chinese warships, submarines and aircraft and also capable of intercepting and interpreting electronic signals from military units on land.


And you accuse the Chinese sending as many spies as they can into the country. You don't think the U.S. does the same? The U.S. has far more spies in far more countries than any nation in the world. The EP-3 incident is clear evidence that America has long ranged spy planes buzzing around every corner of the globe. It also has spy satellites in space. What do you think the CIA does? They certainly don't sit around in foreign nations and just play with their thumbs.

America steals secret information as well, and America isn't exactly prudent in who it decides to arm. Who do you think gave Osama Bin Laden power in the first place?

No country can be a perfect angel to every country in the world. Every country still has to take care of it's own interests first and foremost. It does not mean that they are not trying to forge friendly ties. China's president recently came to Yale University to speak on strengthening positive ties. Bush went to China's own Bei Dai university to do the same. America very much wants have a good relationship with China, and vice versa. It is an arrangement that benefits both.


Seriously people, you can either accept China as an emerging ally and treat it as such. Or you can treat it with suspicion and bitterness. One assumption leads to favorable trade and peaceful interaction. The other might lead to another Cold War.

I've already lived through one Cold War, I'm not exactly itching to experience another.

I've lived in America for many years and have many White/Black/Hispanic American friends, co-workers, and even family. If a Chinese person and an American person can get along, the perhaps China and America can get along too.

Call it idealistic or naive. but I like to remain optimistic, and hopeful.

 

China like the US and every other country makes decisions and policy to help themselves and no one else. Any interaction will be in self-interest and it is naive to believe otherwise.

 

[QUOTE=s2kpdx01,Jul 13 2006, 04:22 PM] HaSign me the **** up:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-06...death-van_x.htm

Yeah, let's all move to the wonderful country of China:


"Sorry, Mr. Chu, but you have 3 dependents not 4.

 

Hey, get your own "China" thread. . . this has nothing to do with global warming!!!

Damn hijackers.

 

You're right, my apologies. Not a peep more about China from me, I promise. I guess I let my nationalistic pride take over for a bit. I didn't want to offend anyone into thinking I was being anti-American. I just wanted to say that you can still be pro American without being anti-communist, or anti Chinese., and to say that many of the generally accepted notions of China are no longer true today. If anyone still wants to discuss China, lets just take this to PM's. Again sorry for the thread heist.









Now about global warming. I agree that the current trend in rising temperatures is due to human impact. I also agree that this is the sign of something very bad and very serious.

Recently frogs and other amphibians have been dissappearing at an alarming rate. Amphibians breathe through the skin, and are more senstive to global changes than other animals. Scientists often call them our cannarys in the mine. When they start dying, it's time to haul ass.


But the problem is that we can't haul ass off our planet just yet. Messing up the environment is just like messing up your own house. The ones most at risk is you.

I agree with Russian's statement that the world wouldn't end at human hands. Far more serious things have happened to the earth, namely large objects running into it and so on.

But in each climate shift, in each temperate change, vast amounts of species die. It is a fact of evolution. The thing we must remember is that the most complex and dominant animals tend to be hit the worse. They tend to be too niche adapted, too slow to mulitply, and too slow to evolve.

There is a reason why tiny mammals, birds, along with bacteria, insects and just about every other type of animal made it through the KT event, but the dominant dinosaurs did not. And guess who are the dominant and most complicated species on the planet today.


Bacteria will survive man. Rats will survive man. Birds will survive man. But at the rate we are going, man may not survive man.