Is Hyundai the new Honda?
11-08-2011, 10:53 AM
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^ also odd that they've never built a production V8. They march to their own tune is all I can say. Their lack of modern technology in engines I expect will change, but then they may be more focused on realizing benefits through IMA integration and other methods whether we approve or not.
11-08-2011, 10:58 AM
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My S2K is my first Honda, and while I love it, their newest generations of cars just seem to be upping the boring factor. It's like they're doing what Toyota did after they killed off the MR2 Spyder, produce nothing but boring fuel economy based vehicles that hardly hint at the notion of being fun. The new SI's actually perform worse then the older ones and have gotten uglier, the CR-Z is a waste of money and could probably get better fuel efficiency without all the hybrid BS in there, and the rest of their lineup is just plain BLAND.
I never thought I'd ever say that I would own a Hyundai, but nowadays that doesn't even seem to be a factor. They have definitely taken a step in the right direction now, they are now producing cars people actually want to buy at an affordable pricepoint, and are doing a great job at it, all while providing a rediculously awesome warranty to boot.
I never thought I'd ever say that I would own a Hyundai, but nowadays that doesn't even seem to be a factor. They have definitely taken a step in the right direction now, they are now producing cars people actually want to buy at an affordable pricepoint, and are doing a great job at it, all while providing a rediculously awesome warranty to boot.
11-08-2011, 11:57 AM
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Seriously, what don't they use? They've already said they won't touch direct injection because of the many associated problems with it (carbon buildup being the big one) and they'll wait for the technology to mature. Other than that, they're pretty much with everyone else for valve technology, they're ahead of the game for overall efficiency, they keep their cars lightweight to require LESS engine (which equates to better fuel efficiency), and their engines are still relatively simple to work on (they're taking out timing belts for many of them, for instance).
Forced induction? Not needed - they still beat the "better" turbo models for efficiency and overall performance is still right there. Their engines are arguably among the most reliable in the world, right there with Toyota. They may use it later but honestly, every turbo'd car that advertises fuel efficiency doesn't hit its numbers, except the Golf GTI, which also doesn't make very much power from it's motor (so, they've made an obvious tradeoff)...
11-08-2011, 12:01 PM
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^ also odd that they've never built a production V8. They march to their own tune is all I can say. Their lack of modern technology in engines I expect will change, but then they may be more focused on realizing benefits through IMA integration and other methods whether we approve or not.
I also think when a company fails to recognize the importance of risk taking, they have essentially died, and for me, Honda looks like a cancer patient just waiting to die.
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11-08-2011, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Saki GT' timestamp='1320780156' post='21139206
Its odd to me that Honda is an "engine" company yet its engines don't use modern technology that we see in many other engines the competition is putting out.
^ also odd that they've never built a production V8. They march to their own tune is all I can say. Their lack of modern technology in engines I expect will change, but then they may be more focused on realizing benefits through IMA integration and other methods whether we approve or not.
I also think when a company fails to recognize the importance of risk taking, they have essentially died, and for me, Honda looks like a cancer patient just waiting to die.
11-08-2011, 12:43 PM
#48
Of course, I'd much rather a crappy DCT like what's in the Ford Focus over a smooth torque-converter automatic like what's in the Civic. What was I thinking?!?!?!
But sure, gloss over the fact that they're also the first manufacturer to put a DCT in a mass-produced motorcycle.
11-08-2011, 01:19 PM
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Fwiw, I've never bought a car because of the engine. I settle on the car and then maybe the engine if there's a choice. Its all well and good to have a nice engine, but putting it a lackluster car is like burying a diamond in a pile of crap, isn't it?
11-08-2011, 01:59 PM
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Buying a car with a crappy engine is like dating a supermodel with irritable bowel syndrome. In the end, the looks and feel don't justify the crap you're dealing with.
If I bought a Mustang, it'd be primarily because of the engine. Same thing with an M3, for that matter. From the opposite side, I'd never buy an Audi S4 (B5) because it has a crappy motor that gives decent power but doesn't hold up at all.
I guess you and I are just different. Not that that's a big revelation or anything....
If I bought a Mustang, it'd be primarily because of the engine. Same thing with an M3, for that matter. From the opposite side, I'd never buy an Audi S4 (B5) because it has a crappy motor that gives decent power but doesn't hold up at all.
I guess you and I are just different. Not that that's a big revelation or anything....