M3 Csl
If you put the CSL's competition into perspective ($100K Porsche GT3, for example), it is not ridiculously overpriced. Sure $80K would be a more reasonable price tag, but this is a very limited production car and they will sell out.
As for the 155 top speed...all German cars are limited to that, except for Porsche. Look at all the performance models from BMW, Mercedes, and Audi, and they all are electronically limited to 155 due to a gentleman's agreement. A chip or in some cases a trip to the dealer can fix that.
I personally think the "regular" 996 911s (not including the GT3 and turbocharged models) are wastes of money. They are pretty boring to drive, feel like luxury cars, and don't feel fast at all.
As for the 155 top speed...all German cars are limited to that, except for Porsche. Look at all the performance models from BMW, Mercedes, and Audi, and they all are electronically limited to 155 due to a gentleman's agreement. A chip or in some cases a trip to the dealer can fix that.
I personally think the "regular" 996 911s (not including the GT3 and turbocharged models) are wastes of money. They are pretty boring to drive, feel like luxury cars, and don't feel fast at all.
The M3 CSL has lapped the Nurburing under 8 minutes. The new 04 Z06 has also done under 8 minutes. So the M3 CLS is on par (+/-) of the Z06.
I think it's 30 seconds faster than the regular M3 around the same track. So I'd say it's worth every penny of $99K. Too bad BMW isn't bringing it to the US.
I think it's 30 seconds faster than the regular M3 around the same track. So I'd say it's worth every penny of $99K. Too bad BMW isn't bringing it to the US.
30 seconds out of 8 minutes????
not sure about anyone else, but that would NOT be a reason for me to shell out an additional $30-40-50K......
especially when i have to pay additional for A/C......
not sure about anyone else, but that would NOT be a reason for me to shell out an additional $30-40-50K......
especially when i have to pay additional for A/C......
Originally posted by JoeD
I personally think the "regular" 996 911s (not including the GT3 and turbocharged models) are wastes of money. They are pretty boring to drive, feel like luxury cars, and don't feel fast at all.
I personally think the "regular" 996 911s (not including the GT3 and turbocharged models) are wastes of money. They are pretty boring to drive, feel like luxury cars, and don't feel fast at all.
-Steve
Originally posted by PLYRS 3
30 seconds out of 8 minutes????
not sure about anyone else, but that would NOT be a reason for me to shell out an additional $30-40-50K......
especially when i have to pay additional for A/C......
30 seconds out of 8 minutes????
not sure about anyone else, but that would NOT be a reason for me to shell out an additional $30-40-50K......
especially when i have to pay additional for A/C......
no rai, i agree/acknowledge that it is a big difference, relatively speaking, but for me personally, i can't justify the extra cash....
for now, it may the best, but as we've seen in the past few years, performance is increasing/developing faster than ever before - exponentially almost....so it may not hold any "exclusivity" factor for too long.
for now, it may the best, but as we've seen in the past few years, performance is increasing/developing faster than ever before - exponentially almost....so it may not hold any "exclusivity" factor for too long.
Originally posted by PLYRS 3
30 seconds out of 8 minutes????
not sure about anyone else, but that would NOT be a reason for me to shell out an additional $30-40-50K......
especially when i have to pay additional for A/C......
30 seconds out of 8 minutes????
not sure about anyone else, but that would NOT be a reason for me to shell out an additional $30-40-50K......
especially when i have to pay additional for A/C......
For example, ~30 seconds is the difference between a 993 NA 911 Carrera Cabrio (285 hp), and a 996 911 Turbo (420 hp). Similarly, it's also the difference between a Lamborghini Murcielago and an E46 M3 or M Coupe. Or if you want, the difference between an SL55 and a Lotus Exige/Audi S4/JDM Integra Type-R...all on the Nurburgring, of course.
Yes...30 seconds is a BIG difference.
Sorry I made a little mistake the article I read said "more than 20 seconds faster than the regular M3 and just under 8 minutes"
Still more than 20 seconds is still a big difference. Also it goes to show the regular M3 is not a real "track tuned" car.
Still more than 20 seconds is still a big difference. Also it goes to show the regular M3 is not a real "track tuned" car.
I meant by PRICE, they are the same PRICES; I know it's a lot lighter, but it's a LOT slower on the top end, at only 155mph???? I wouldn't spend 80+k for a 155mph car.



