NSX Unveiling in 4 Hours
02-02-2012, 06:20 AM
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New MT article about it:
http://www.motortrend.com/future/fut...015_acura_nsx/
They are predicting 3100lbs and 0-60 in 3.0 seconds. Oh, and it looks a lot better in red than in silver, IMO.
http://www.motortrend.com/future/fut...015_acura_nsx/
They are predicting 3100lbs and 0-60 in 3.0 seconds. Oh, and it looks a lot better in red than in silver, IMO.
02-02-2012, 06:53 AM
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Nice!.....LOL
02-02-2012, 11:41 AM
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I guess it depends on what you mean by "only going to be moderately faster." The TL at 3994 lbs and 305 hp carries 13.1 lbs per hp.
The NSX Concept at an estimated 3500 lbs and 484 hp would carry 7.2 lbs/hp. At 3700 lbs and 474 hp, it'd be 7.8 lbs/hp.
To compare, a 2010 C6 Corvette coupe at 3208 lbs and 430 hp has 7.5 lbs per hp.
So the NSX Concept is only "moderately" faster than a TL in exactly the same way that a C6 Corvette is only moderately faster than a TL. Which is to say, it'd totally blow it out of the water.
The NSX Concept at an estimated 3500 lbs and 484 hp would carry 7.2 lbs/hp. At 3700 lbs and 474 hp, it'd be 7.8 lbs/hp.
To compare, a 2010 C6 Corvette coupe at 3208 lbs and 430 hp has 7.5 lbs per hp.
So the NSX Concept is only "moderately" faster than a TL in exactly the same way that a C6 Corvette is only moderately faster than a TL. Which is to say, it'd totally blow it out of the water.
i have to agree. theres no way that Honda would even THINK to make this if it would only goin to be "moderately" faster then a TL, and according to the motortrend article, at 3100lbs, the power to weight ratio would be amazing even with only a slightly tweaked v6 from the TL with the mid to high 400s including the AWD motors! yes pleaseee
02-02-2012, 11:51 AM
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New MT article about it:
http://www.motortrend.com/future/fut...015_acura_nsx/
They are predicting 3100lbs and 0-60 in 3.0 seconds. Oh, and it looks a lot better in red than in silver, IMO.
http://www.motortrend.com/future/fut...015_acura_nsx/
They are predicting 3100lbs and 0-60 in 3.0 seconds. Oh, and it looks a lot better in red than in silver, IMO.
02-02-2012, 12:50 PM
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^ one big issue, the more powerful the electric motors are, the more heavy it's gonna be. Secondly all those weight figures were pulled from manufacturer's literature.
Lastly, length and wheelbase of the vehicle aren't significant weight adders when the difference is 7", maybe a few extra pounds. And mind you the new nsx "specs" aren't solid yet. Now one thing i don't doubt you on is the use of carbon fiber or magnesium alloys, but by the looks of which market segment honda is trying to compete in, i can't see extensive use of those materials. Maybe a bit of CF, but the magnesium not so much.
As for the market its competing in, I don't think that at $150k its going to be a very successful competitor compared to the GT-R at $90k...specially when the GT-R is already track proven, can make power easily. But the main problem here is that stupid hybrid drive train, adds so much weight to the car. I can see the car being up to 350lbs lighter without it. Sigh...could you imagine? an NSX with a 3.8L V6 with 130HP/L engine, taking back that crown from Ferrari. 494BHP, with a slightly lighter weight car than Ferrari's and we've got a winner!
Lastly, length and wheelbase of the vehicle aren't significant weight adders when the difference is 7", maybe a few extra pounds. And mind you the new nsx "specs" aren't solid yet. Now one thing i don't doubt you on is the use of carbon fiber or magnesium alloys, but by the looks of which market segment honda is trying to compete in, i can't see extensive use of those materials. Maybe a bit of CF, but the magnesium not so much.
As for the market its competing in, I don't think that at $150k its going to be a very successful competitor compared to the GT-R at $90k...specially when the GT-R is already track proven, can make power easily. But the main problem here is that stupid hybrid drive train, adds so much weight to the car. I can see the car being up to 350lbs lighter without it. Sigh...could you imagine? an NSX with a 3.8L V6 with 130HP/L engine, taking back that crown from Ferrari. 494BHP, with a slightly lighter weight car than Ferrari's and we've got a winner!
Also, ram air intakes don't do anything, and you don't need a 3" exhaust for the amount of air coming out of a 2.0L at 9000RPM. Honestly, that big of an exhaust diameter probably drops the Reynolds number way too low and actually increases the amount of head lost. When you put on an exhaust like that, you benefit from getting rid of the cats, not because your diameter is massive.
02-02-2012, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Elistan' timestamp='1328193430' post='21376909
I guess it depends on what you mean by "only going to be moderately faster." The TL at 3994 lbs and 305 hp carries 13.1 lbs per hp.
The NSX Concept at an estimated 3500 lbs and 484 hp would carry 7.2 lbs/hp. At 3700 lbs and 474 hp, it'd be 7.8 lbs/hp.
To compare, a 2010 C6 Corvette coupe at 3208 lbs and 430 hp has 7.5 lbs per hp.
So the NSX Concept is only "moderately" faster than a TL in exactly the same way that a C6 Corvette is only moderately faster than a TL. Which is to say, it'd totally blow it out of the water.
i have to agree. theres no way that Honda would even THINK to make this if it would only goin to be "moderately" faster then a TL, and according to the motortrend article, at 3100lbs, the power to weight ratio would be amazing even with only a slightly tweaked v6 from the TL with the mid to high 400s including the AWD motors! yes pleaseeeIf they want to make it a porky 3700 lbs they better bring at least C6 Z06 power levels either that or reduce the weight down to around 3,000 or 3,100 like a Z06.
02-02-2012, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by XtC-604' timestamp='1328153722' post='21375647
[quote name='cbehney' timestamp='1328115372' post='21373370']
[quote name='XtC-604' timestamp='1328069750' post='21371867']
I think the thing is, most people here expected Honda to go out challenging ferraris, R8s, porsches, LFA's etc, like they would of before. But what we've been shown so far is a car that is probably only going to be moderately faster than a tl sh-awd...Now see, choosing a market segment to be competitive in, is not the problem. Taking an iconic name badge like the NSX(which fought ferraris and won) then putting it on a hyped up super-green grocery getter is...
[quote name='XtC-604' timestamp='1328069750' post='21371867']
I think the thing is, most people here expected Honda to go out challenging ferraris, R8s, porsches, LFA's etc, like they would of before. But what we've been shown so far is a car that is probably only going to be moderately faster than a tl sh-awd...Now see, choosing a market segment to be competitive in, is not the problem. Taking an iconic name badge like the NSX(which fought ferraris and won) then putting it on a hyped up super-green grocery getter is...
I took a look into a few cars: Ferrari F458, TL SH-AWD, Last Gen NSX
F458 has a curb weight of 3,274lb, using an all aluminum space frame and outer skin. Doesn't have AWD or hybrid batteries. Built to be a hardcore track carving biatch
TL SH-AWD. Curb weight of 3,994lb, using a steel chassis, has the SH-AWD system, V6 powered. Now whats important here: Honda will most likely use some derived version of the J37A4 found in the TL in the new NSX. Now assuming Honda Still has their old engine magic. Lets assume a 120hp/L theory, and assume 3.7L in displacement (Which i highly doubt will happen, in fact i can see it being a 3.5L, + you can't really stroke out this engine anymore, maybe an extra .1L) Which means 444HP from engine and i'd say roughly 30-40 hp from the electric motors? TOTAL GUESSTIMATE HP: 474-484?
Last Gen NSX: why did i add this into my comparison? For weight purposes really. Now the old NSX had a purpose built chassis, meant for one specific platform. Now its not confirmed yet, but there was press about it going to be developed on a modified accord platform. *Think weight, think reinforcements that are added on*
The last NSX weighed ~3000lbs depending on configuration with on front airbags, no traction control, no advanced sound system or any of those electric hybridy parts
In conclusion i can't see this car weighing less than the F458 with its drive train and batteries. I would guess that the new car would weigh around ~3500-3700lb. The way i obtained that number is assuming that all the hybrid stuff will add ~200lbs compared to the F458. So a car that is 3500-3700lbs with marginally more power isn't going to be that much faster than a TL...i can only see the NSX pulling hard on a standing start...
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I guess it depends on what you mean by "only going to be moderately faster." The TL at 3994 lbs and 305 hp carries 13.1 lbs per hp.
The NSX Concept at an estimated 3500 lbs and 484 hp would carry 7.2 lbs/hp. At 3700 lbs and 474 hp, it'd be 7.8 lbs/hp.
To compare, a 2010 C6 Corvette coupe at 3208 lbs and 430 hp has 7.5 lbs per hp.
So the NSX Concept is only "moderately" faster than a TL in exactly the same way that a C6 Corvette is only moderately faster than a TL. Which is to say, it'd totally blow it out of the water.
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You forget HP wins sales, TQ wins races
02-02-2012, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Elistan' timestamp='1328193430' post='21376909
[quote name='XtC-604' timestamp='1328153722' post='21375647']
[quote name='cbehney' timestamp='1328115372' post='21373370']
[quote name='XtC-604' timestamp='1328069750' post='21371867']
I think the thing is, most people here expected Honda to go out challenging ferraris, R8s, porsches, LFA's etc, like they would of before. But what we've been shown so far is a car that is probably only going to be moderately faster than a tl sh-awd...Now see, choosing a market segment to be competitive in, is not the problem. Taking an iconic name badge like the NSX(which fought ferraris and won) then putting it on a hyped up super-green grocery getter is...
[quote name='cbehney' timestamp='1328115372' post='21373370']
[quote name='XtC-604' timestamp='1328069750' post='21371867']
I think the thing is, most people here expected Honda to go out challenging ferraris, R8s, porsches, LFA's etc, like they would of before. But what we've been shown so far is a car that is probably only going to be moderately faster than a tl sh-awd...Now see, choosing a market segment to be competitive in, is not the problem. Taking an iconic name badge like the NSX(which fought ferraris and won) then putting it on a hyped up super-green grocery getter is...
I took a look into a few cars: Ferrari F458, TL SH-AWD, Last Gen NSX
F458 has a curb weight of 3,274lb, using an all aluminum space frame and outer skin. Doesn't have AWD or hybrid batteries. Built to be a hardcore track carving biatch
TL SH-AWD. Curb weight of 3,994lb, using a steel chassis, has the SH-AWD system, V6 powered. Now whats important here: Honda will most likely use some derived version of the J37A4 found in the TL in the new NSX. Now assuming Honda Still has their old engine magic. Lets assume a 120hp/L theory, and assume 3.7L in displacement (Which i highly doubt will happen, in fact i can see it being a 3.5L, + you can't really stroke out this engine anymore, maybe an extra .1L) Which means 444HP from engine and i'd say roughly 30-40 hp from the electric motors? TOTAL GUESSTIMATE HP: 474-484?
Last Gen NSX: why did i add this into my comparison? For weight purposes really. Now the old NSX had a purpose built chassis, meant for one specific platform. Now its not confirmed yet, but there was press about it going to be developed on a modified accord platform. *Think weight, think reinforcements that are added on*
The last NSX weighed ~3000lbs depending on configuration with on front airbags, no traction control, no advanced sound system or any of those electric hybridy parts
In conclusion i can't see this car weighing less than the F458 with its drive train and batteries. I would guess that the new car would weigh around ~3500-3700lb. The way i obtained that number is assuming that all the hybrid stuff will add ~200lbs compared to the F458. So a car that is 3500-3700lbs with marginally more power isn't going to be that much faster than a TL...i can only see the NSX pulling hard on a standing start...
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I guess it depends on what you mean by "only going to be moderately faster." The TL at 3994 lbs and 305 hp carries 13.1 lbs per hp.
The NSX Concept at an estimated 3500 lbs and 484 hp would carry 7.2 lbs/hp. At 3700 lbs and 474 hp, it'd be 7.8 lbs/hp.
To compare, a 2010 C6 Corvette coupe at 3208 lbs and 430 hp has 7.5 lbs per hp.
So the NSX Concept is only "moderately" faster than a TL in exactly the same way that a C6 Corvette is only moderately faster than a TL. Which is to say, it'd totally blow it out of the water.
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You forget HP wins sales, TQ wins races
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Wrong. Horsepower wins everything. The real saying should be "Peak horsepower sells cars, a nice horsepower curve wins races."
Please read the following for more info: http://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comment...n_explanation/
02-03-2012, 06:10 AM
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7.5 is still too much to be a "halo" supercar. Hell my plastic car made in a shed is 7.8 (1953 lbs, 250 crank hp) and it was only around 50K new!
If they want to make it a porky 3700 lbs they better bring at least C6 Z06 power levels either that or reduce the weight down to around 3,000 or 3,100 like a Z06.
If they want to make it a porky 3700 lbs they better bring at least C6 Z06 power levels either that or reduce the weight down to around 3,000 or 3,100 like a Z06.
Even the current Exige S is only 240 hp. (2077 lbs and 240 hp is 8.7 lbs/hp, still slower than estimates of the NSX Concept.)Regardless, having driving cars in the range of 1200 lbs to 4000 lbs, I definitely agree that it would make for a much better car if the weight were closer to 3000-3100 than 3500-3700.
02-04-2012, 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by CosmosMpower' timestamp='1328221105' post='21378618
7.5 is still too much to be a "halo" supercar. Hell my plastic car made in a shed is 7.8 (1953 lbs, 250 crank hp) and it was only around 50K new!
If they want to make it a porky 3700 lbs they better bring at least C6 Z06 power levels either that or reduce the weight down to around 3,000 or 3,100 like a Z06.
If they want to make it a porky 3700 lbs they better bring at least C6 Z06 power levels either that or reduce the weight down to around 3,000 or 3,100 like a Z06.
Even the current Exige S is only 240 hp. (2077 lbs and 240 hp is 8.7 lbs/hp, still slower than estimates of the NSX Concept.)Regardless, having driving cars in the range of 1200 lbs to 4000 lbs, I definitely agree that it would make for a much better car if the weight were closer to 3000-3100 than 3500-3700.